Rates rising > Kids off school > WTF is the plan??

[HoppingHamster]

I want things to open up. I want vaccines to work. I’ve had my vaccines.

But.

There will soon be thousands of kids off school isolating because they’ve come into contact with someone who tested positive. 10 days off school. I already know of about 50 in our local area through various schools.

If June 21 goes ahead. And we can’t slow the spread among unvaccinated people. And the spread is already increasing statistically among children and younger ages (which it is), where is the plan for keeping kids in school?? For preventing more disruption to their education.

How is it possible to let things open up (and let numbers fly over next few months before more people vaccinated) AND keep kids equally in school? Either you open up and lift all quarantine restrictions. Or you have to do something to plot the spread amongst youngsters.

I’m worried this has been forgotten and it’s going to go wrong again.

[HarrietHairbrush]

I just saw 21 June described as Freedom Day on the BBC 👀🙄

[Orf1abc]

There is some evidence pointing to a link between covid and type 1 diabetes in children. There's no definitive proof as yet, but the numbers involved are too significant to be ignored.

care.diabetesjournals.org/content/early/2020/08/13/dc20-1551

[ChloeCrocodile]

Why is it ok that the price to pay for adults to have “Freedom Day”, yet more and more children end up having to isolate from school?

Keeping businesses closed or forcing them to operate under capacity does have a significant impact on education. One of the biggest impacts on children's long term attainment is household income. If we keep things closed more businesses will go under, people will lose jobs and homes (eviction ban has ended too). The impact on their children would be far more devastating than a short period of isolation. It isn't a simple decision about whether to prioritise education or the economy, unfortunately.

[MrsJuliaGulia]

Lockdowns only delay the spread. Anyone who is vulnerable, be they of a certain age or immunocompromised has been vaccinated. Young people with no underlying health conditions aren’t generally affected. Well not enough to lock a country down for. I think less than 100 under 40s with no underlying health conditions have died?

And to those that are vulnerable but aren’t vaccinated, well, that’s a choice.

Looking at “cases” and those in hospitals, there are very few that are vaccinated.

The very patient general public should now be able to get on with their lives in full. Those that are concerned can just stay at home and shield.

[Orf1abc]

I just saw 21 June described as Freedom Day on the BBC

All part of the 'forget all the shit things we've done over the past year' campaign by the government and their media pals. I expect a pullout poster of Johnson and some reference to war.

(And flags. There will definitely be a flag.)

[PrincessNutNuts]

The plan is to hide the school outbreaks figures, and hide the hospital admissions figures and call a lockdown when lying to the British people doesn't miraculously make the virus go away.

[everybodysang]

@MrsJuliaGulia

Lockdowns only delay the spread. Anyone who is vulnerable, be they of a certain age or immunocompromised has been vaccinated. Young people with no underlying health conditions aren’t generally affected. Well not enough to lock a country down for. I think less than 100 under 40s with no underlying health conditions have died?

And to those that are vulnerable but aren’t vaccinated, well, that’s a choice.

Looking at “cases” and those in hospitals, there are very few that are vaccinated.

The very patient general public should now be able to get on with their lives in full. Those that are concerned can just stay at home and shield.

how would you suggest those that are concerned stay at home and shield? How will they get paid? How will their children get to school, or indeed how will they get to school if they are the vulnerable one? They are also 'the general public', no?

It's also not true that all vulnerable people have been vaccinated. And underlying health conditions are not always known or obvious. Are you really saying that it's ok that if someone was under 40 but had a higher BMI, or had asthma, or have had cancer etc etc, died? Because I can also tell you that not all those people are vaccinated yet.

[CookieClub]

@bojotheclown

Vaccinate the over 12s!

The vaccine is approved in this age group now, by MHRA, who have deemed it safe and effective.

Of course not all parents will want to vaccinate their children, and that is fine, it should not be mandatory.

But if enough parents do vaccinate their children, we will quickly see a huge drop in case numbers in 12-16s.

Why is the government delaying this?

Even clinically vulnerable 12-16s are being denied the vaccine that has been approved for them at the moment.

The vaccine is approved in this age group now, by MHRA, who have deemed it safe and effective

Safe and effective? They've no idea of any long term side effects, due to it being a new vaccine.

The yellow card system is bringing up loads of issues. I know of someone that had the vaccine and was dead from a cardiac arrest within a few weeks....coincidence, who knows?

But I stand for free-choice. Regardless of what happens, children and adults should never ever be forced a vaccine and the idea of vaccine passports is just barbaric (not much different to a gold star really huh)

[nordica]

@MrsJuliaGulia

Lockdowns only delay the spread. Anyone who is vulnerable, be they of a certain age or immunocompromised has been vaccinated. Young people with no underlying health conditions aren’t generally affected. Well not enough to lock a country down for. I think less than 100 under 40s with no underlying health conditions have died?

And to those that are vulnerable but aren’t vaccinated, well, that’s a choice.

Looking at “cases” and those in hospitals, there are very few that are vaccinated.

The very patient general public should now be able to get on with their lives in full. Those that are concerned can just stay at home and shield.

After all this time, how can people still not understand restrictions are not just about protecting individuals from covid, they are mainly about making sure health services have enough capacity to treat other conditions.

You don't need to have dozens of covid patients in every hospital for it to have an impact on other treatment and surgeries going ahead. Even just one covid patient requires a specific covid ward, and that means those beds can't be used for people who are waiting for planned surgeries for cancer and other serious conditions, and the staff allocated to the covid ward can't treat anyone else. Operations get cancelled and people wait longer and waiting lists grow. That affects millions of people and could affect any of us at any time.

It's also not true that everyone vulnerable is vaccinated. 1 in four elderly black people (over 70) have not had a vaccination yet. You could of course say they've had a choice - or you could try to understand the health inequalities going back decades and the reasons BME people in particular have concerns about the vaccine.

[June2021]

@neveradullmoment99

They don't give a shit about you or your child!
Thank god we are on holiday in two weeks.
I'm incredibly worried my children catch it.
So far none of my children have caught it or had to self isolate ever from it but that WILL change. No lockdown this time, opening up everything our children will bear the brunt of this as it will be left to run freely through the schools.
I don't have an answer but this is exactly their plan
Just because your child has not been affected ( this is largely because of lockdowns, not necessarily school ones but shops etc) They will not escape being infected for long.

Why are you so worried? Are your children CEV? The risk level for children and most adults is miniscule.
Why the panic and drama?
This will not be the last virus, there will be others. We do have to actually not panic all the time.

[Funfortheroad]

They need to stop isolating kids. If things are ok enough to open up society and allow travel, festivals and offices, then there's no need to keep isolating children, who aren't even affected by it.

This is 100% pure insanity as a suggestion.

Talk about 'lalala this problem is too difficult so I am going to pretend it isn't happening'.

Next time you see a fire, remember to pour petrol on it...

Wow you really missed my point. I'm saying that if we are opening up society with no restrictions (and that's considered a safe thing to do) then we can't (and shouldn't need to) keep restricting children's access to education by isolating them. Especially when children are almost never affected by Covid. It's either safe enough to remove all restrictions or it's not. I don't think our kids should be paying the price for people going to the pub or cramming themselves onto planes.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

Rates rising > Kids off school > WTF is the plan??

Luckily my child’s primary school in central London is still going strong with no medical issues (supposedly) reported. There is naturally no Covid risk mitigation measures implemented apart from a splash of hand sanitiser on entry and no parents allowed on premises bar the front office. Basically no one even cares anymore as if nothing much changed globally over the past year!? If the Indian Delta or any more deadly child impacted Covid variants rip through central London then I gathered short of serious disease (or worst) at school - nothing let alone much tangible change will occur. Remote home schooling will be the last resort nuclear option! Children continue as Covid litmus test guinea pigs as being least vulnerable they don’t count as seemingly according to authorities/government!? Not ideal but then being pragmatic and risk alert and proactive I am the silent minority as the rest of the community dispense with masks, social distancing or testing to only complain against restrictions against more international (I must holiday overseas even if it kills me) mixing to ensure we get maximum exposure to new mutations and not miss out. But hey we have vaccines and as long as the variants don’t escape their “protection” we are good to go and as you are…nothing to see! Let’s see how this plans out and how long this can be sustained!? Let’s call it the super light touch non concerned school of medical hygiene for stress testing herd immunity - which probably does not technically exist or if so not sustainable.

[BluebellsGreenbells]

It’s about time they stopped vaccinating by age and swapped to risk/exposure.

30
Year old working from home shopping delivered meeting one/two family members is very different to a child mixing with hundreds of others.

[Sometimesfraught82]

@Orf1abc

I just saw 21 June described as Freedom Day on the BBC

All part of the 'forget all the shit things we've done over the past year' campaign by the government and their media pals. I expect a pullout poster of Johnson and some reference to war.

(And flags. There will definitely be a flag.)

What’s wrong with “forgetting the shit” (not that I thought it was that shit! Only not being able to go on holiday abroad but 28 degrees forecast for this weekend, so all good!

[ClarisseMcClellan]

The yellow card system is bringing up loads of issues. I know of someone that had the vaccine and was dead from a cardiac arrest within a few weeks....coincidence, who knows?

Nearly 80% of adults have had at least one dose of the vaccine, it doesn't stop you dying from other causes.

I think the average number of deaths per week is around 10,000 in the UK so thousands of vaccinated people are dying every week and will continue to do so.

[Cookiecrisps]

@BluebellsGreenbells I will never understand why the police weren’t prioritised in the vaccine rollout given their working conditions as well as other groups of people with a high risk of exposure such as those in crowded factories, supermarkets and in schools.

I work in a primary school and there are still unvaccinated members of staff there due to age with many more staff members only receiving their 1st vaccine recently. Couple this with no masks or social distancing (between children and adults at least in my school as been told to teach as normal) and 30 people in a room it’s a concern if a case gets in.

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@JellyBabiesSaveLives

5 children in my son’s year have been diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes since March 2020. I don’t know about other years. At the normal rate of diagnosis you would expect there to be 2 or 3 children with Type 1 diabetes in the whole school. That’s a massive, massive increase. It’s unlikely to be a coincidence.

Other incurable disabling auto immune diseases are also available.

People will say you are scaremongering but this has been raised as an issue in other countries from very early in the pandemic and also vaguely looked at in the UK. There have recently been news articles with paediatricians in the UK in relation to this and taking forward studies into the link between covid and the rising incidence of Type 1 in children.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.imperial.ac.uk/news/201473/covid-19-linked-increase-type-diabetes-children/amp/

Of course things like this get hidden behind the headlines.

[jumpbounce]

www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/03/09/news/paediatrician-urges-parents-to-be-on-lookout-for-diabetes-symptoms-in-kids-following-rise-during-covid-pandemic-2248456/

[osbertthesyrianhamster]

Schools in Scotland break up at the end of June.

[VickyEadieofThigh]

@Topttumps

Yeah let’s stop isolating kids. They can pass it to each other as they don’t often get ill. Unfortunately it has been suggested that the delta variant spreads more easily within households. Yes most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated but not all.

I live in a small town with 2 primary schools and one secondary school. The kids might be 'isolating' in school, but they definitely aren't when they're out of school.

I suspect this is the case everywhere.

[CookieClub]

@ClarisseMcClellan

The yellow card system is bringing up loads of issues. I know of someone that had the vaccine and was dead from a cardiac arrest within a few weeks....coincidence, who knows?

Nearly 80% of adults have had at least one dose of the vaccine, it doesn't stop you dying from other causes.

I think the average number of deaths per week is around 10,000 in the UK so thousands of vaccinated people are dying every week and will continue to do so.

Absolutely.
What I mean, is that people claiming the vaccine is the be-all-and-end-all, it's 'safe', it's the only way out of this etc...I find close-minded.

The flu pandemic killed thousands, Flu still exists, despite a vaccine and thousands [even vaccinated] still due from it.

A lot of people don't realise that the vaccine DOESN'T stop them catching, carrying , or passing on Covid-19..they seem to think it makes them invincible.

It's inevitable figures will rise, of course they will, people are mixing again...we've just spent almost a year segregated away from other humans...but it's the death rate that's the important one to watch.

I've had covid, I know plenty of others that have had covid...I've seen first hand vulnerable/poorly people fighting covid....the point is it has a 97% survival rate, but we are being scaremongered into believing that everyone that contracts it is instantly doomed. That is not the case.

Sadly people will die, lots of people will have long term affects, but we cannot continue existing as disconnected beings. We're meant to socialise, we're meant to mix and have fun.

[0None0]

@Topttumps

Yeah let’s stop isolating kids. They can pass it to each other as they don’t often get ill. Unfortunately it has been suggested that the delta variant spreads more easily within households. Yes most of the vulnerable have been vaccinated but not all.

Well I know 3 young teens who have been left permanently disabled

[0None0]

[quote Orf1abc]There is some evidence pointing to a link between covid and type 1 diabetes in children. There's no definitive proof as yet, but the numbers involved are too significant to be ignored.

care.diabetesjournals.org/content/early/2020/08/13/dc20-1551[/quote]
That’s interesting. We have a pupil who developed type 1 diabetes when he was ill with covid. I didn’t know there was a possible link being recognised

[Mumdiva99]

@VickyEadieofThigh I think you are confusing bubbles/social distancing with isolating. We mean when the children are sent home from school and miss education because they have been in close contact with a positive case and have to self isolate for 10 days.

[Getawaywithit]

There is some evidence pointing to a link between covid and type 1 diabetes in children. There's no definitive proof as yet, but the numbers involved are too significant to be ignored

This is hardly news. It has long been considered that we are born with the propensity to develop Type 1 (or not) and that it is triggered at some point by a virus.

Given that covid is running wild through schools, it is inevitable that it is going to trigger cases.

Of course, time will tell whether covid caused cases (in other words, caused cases in children who wouldn't have gone on to develop type 1 otherwise) or whether it perhaps triggered earlier in children for whom it would have triggered anyway.

And there is a small increase in Type 1 cases generally which is unexplained so perhaps covid will contribute to understanding on that. If we can understand how/when/why it's triggered, we may be able to find ways of preventing it.