Rates rising > Kids off school > WTF is the plan??

[HoppingHamster]

I want things to open up. I want vaccines to work. I’ve had my vaccines.

But.

There will soon be thousands of kids off school isolating because they’ve come into contact with someone who tested positive. 10 days off school. I already know of about 50 in our local area through various schools.

If June 21 goes ahead. And we can’t slow the spread among unvaccinated people. And the spread is already increasing statistically among children and younger ages (which it is), where is the plan for keeping kids in school?? For preventing more disruption to their education.

How is it possible to let things open up (and let numbers fly over next few months before more people vaccinated) AND keep kids equally in school? Either you open up and lift all quarantine restrictions. Or you have to do something to plot the spread amongst youngsters.

I’m worried this has been forgotten and it’s going to go wrong again.

[Supernothing22]

I'm in Greater Manchester. Sons primary school currently has Years 3,4 & 5 all isolating since Wednesday. The school hasn't shut 1 bubble since before Christmas term.

It's spreading like wildfire after half term. Most of the kids have been mixing in holiday clubs, both the ones local toe mix 2 different schools and random kids in the community, it's uncontrollable again.

Parents at school gates are back to doing what they like, no masks, learning I to cars talking to each other, kids cuddling together in groups. It's an impossible task to get the kids to stay apart of parents can't do it.

I'm a keyworker and son has been in school all the way through and this is the first time his bubble has had to close throughout the last 15 months. People have had enough of the rules and its being seen now in spread.

[dementedpixie]

[quote ExhaustedFlamingo]@dementedpixie - I honestly don't know what the truth is. I'd be delighted if the story about kids in hospital was inflated as that thought is terrifying.

They're contradicting each other. One source says kids in hospital with COVID is on the high side, the other side says it's not but there's no details. I'd love to believe that's true but I think I'll need a bit more than "they said it's not".

I've not seen any hospital admission figures for ages but I did see that earlier today, in the number of new cases around 21% (I think) was 0-18yr olds. The % of new cases seems to tally with the vaccines. I'm hoping that's the only reason for this and it's not because this new strain is especially virulent in youngsters. My concern is that I thought virtually no kids went to hospital with COVID so even if there's a few now, that's still a worry, no? Considering before they were supposed to be more or less asymptomatic?

We're kind of shielding still (vulnerable kids) so we're not really mixing anywhere yet. Just be useful to have an honest assessment of how concerned we should be.[/quote]
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-57446887 Watchdog says Humza Yousaf child Covid claim 'inaccurate'

[Pootle40]

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Pootle40

Funfortheroad
They need to stop isolating kids. If things are ok enough to open up society and allow travel, festivals and offices, then there's no need to keep isolating children, who aren't even affected by it.

This and stop all the bloody testing
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Classic Covidiot ideology at its finest!

Ignore everything nothing to worry about attitude as the pesky flu bug thing is history or not happened. No need to contain, let alone eradicate as no action required unless there are ventilation shortages in hospital! Prevention is worst than cure nonsense. No wonder the National Covid Wall Memorial along the Thames outside St Thomas Hospital overlooking Parliament means nothing to those not impacted in terms or lives or livelihood. No scientific appreciation of the most likely unvaccinated younger age groups spreading more contagious illness to older more vulnerable groups! Don’t follow the science but follow your own genius conspiracy theorist! Beggars belief and so sorry to the 0.1-0.2 million Brits who passed away due to this complacent attitude. Waiting for the - “you are more likely to be killed by a bus” counter argument to come along with no understanding that this disease is silent and spreads asymptotically through human to human contact!

At least I know 0.1-0.2m people haven't died OF Covid.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

Pootle40

Funfortheroad
They need to stop isolating kids. If things are ok enough to open up society and allow travel, festivals and offices, then there's no need to keep isolating children, who aren't even affected by it.

This and stop all the bloody testing
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Classic Covidiot ideology at its finest!

Ignore everything nothing to worry about attitude as the pesky flu bug thing is history or not happened. No need to contain, let alone eradicate as no action required unless there are ventilation shortages in hospital! Prevention is worst than cure nonsense. No wonder the National Covid Wall Memorial along the Thames outside St Thomas Hospital overlooking Parliament means nothing to those not impacted in terms or lives or livelihood. No scientific appreciation of the most likely unvaccinated younger age groups spreading more contagious illness to older more vulnerable groups! Don’t follow the science but follow your own genius conspiracy theorist! Beggars belief and so sorry to the 0.1-0.2 million Brits who passed away due to this complacent attitude. Waiting for the - “you are more likely to be killed by a bus” counter argument to come along with no understanding that this disease is silent and spreads asymptotically through human to human contact!

[Pootle40]

@Funfortheroad

They need to stop isolating kids. If things are ok enough to open up society and allow travel, festivals and offices, then there's no need to keep isolating children, who aren't even affected by it.

This and stop all the bloody testing

[Topttumps]

@0None0 that is awful. Not saying I believe that btw. I was just paraphrasing a previous post.

[Jenasaurus]

@mondaywine

We had no COVID in our school until suddenly we did. When suddenly we did it hit us hard and after 3 weeks of cases ramping up we finally had to shut as there no longer enough staff to open safely and also to break the chain of infection.
I work in an area which until this point had very low case numbers. Just because your area has low numbers just now does not mean it won’t have a case. I’m seeing so many schools having the exact same experience that we did- low cases in community, one positive case, suddenly a few cases in one class, class shut, isolated siblings positive in other classes, transmission out of control. Staff continue to catch COVID in schools. We are not all double vaccinated and many are yet to have their first dose.

Agree with the last comment, my DD is 26 and works as a nursery teacher, she has her first vaccination booked for 23rd June and her second for 11 weeks after that. Mind you she is the only one in her setting who hasnt had a vaccine (the others are older)

[mrshoho]

@Oblomov21

"The team recommend a larger analysis to establish whether there is a definitive link between COVID-19 and new-onset type 1 diabetes, and if so whether COVID-19 has any impact on the severity of the disease."

My thoughts exactly.

An interesting article from Diabetes UK on this subject. As so much is still unknown it seems very clear to me that this is another reason to avoid letting this virus spread through our unvaccinated children.

www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/new-worse-cases-coronavirus

[itsgettingwierd]

@bojotheclown

It seems the government/JCVI want it both ways:

• not vaccinating this age group with a vaccine approved for them, because they are not at risk of Covid
• while at the same time imposing the harshest of Covid restrictions and measures on this age group if a positive case is found anywhere in their age group, even if the pupils never share a classroom and even for pupils with negative PCR tests (and even fully vaccinated 16-18 year olds)

This is inconsistent.

if the government think this age group is not at risk from Covid then the daily testing scheme for close contacts (currently in place for the government) should be extended to schools.

if the government think this age group is at risk, vaccinate them.

Seems the government want it all ways, none of which benefit the pupils.

Excellent point.

[itsgettingwierd]

@Oblomov21

I still believe that local implementations are best. If the Bolton area is still having lots of cases and local schools closing then Bolton needs to deal with that. One poster earlier posted earlier that she was nearby but had no cases.

In our county, M25, we have one of the lowest number of cases in the country. Why would we close schools. Or have a national lockdown. And I'm not saying that from a selfish I'm alright Jack principle : if our cases start rising obviously we will have to deal with it but at the moment we don't need to so it doesn't seem sensible to make any national decisions when this is not affecting the local area.

No one is suggesting closing schools or a lockdown. And I agree that isn't what we should be doing.

However they've removed masks in schools at a time cases are running through them. If it gets in it gets around. And because children are often asymptomatic it's hard to prevent that. So it's about mitigation's to prevent spread as much as we can if someone is carrying the virus.

I just think we need to wait for summer holidays. Give our children a chance of staying in school. The isolations and being in and out like a fiddlers elbow are as much - if not more damaging than when they were remote learning full time.

[ZZTopGuitarSolo]

We have a fairly new pooled testing system in our schools here.

Any students who are in the pooled testing program who are exposed to Covid can continue to attend school without quarantining, as long as they have not had a positive test.

Students who choose not to take part in the pooled testing have to quarantine if exposed to Covid.

It's done through the Abbott Labs BinaxNOW system, which involves setting up a profile for each staff member/student in their software system (via an app), and the data is connected to the state CDC.

One permission form per year has to be completed.

It's very easy to administer the tests - I've taken part in it and I have no medical training.

[Oblomov21]

"The team recommend a larger analysis to establish whether there is a definitive link between COVID-19 and new-onset type 1 diabetes, and if so whether COVID-19 has any impact on the severity of the disease."

My thoughts exactly.

[Bryonyshcmyony]

Daughter at independent school has to test herself twice a week.

It is possible to say you are negative if you are positive though, she says, which seems to totally negate the point of it.

[Oblomov21]

I am REALLY not happy about the comment made by JellyBabies re Type I diabetes.


The link from Orf says "the info is limited and 6 patients presented".

So I don't think that qualifies for such scaremongering comments. Yet.

Says me. Type 1 since aged 1.

[ICanSmellSummerComing]

id love to know how they police the testing or make sure its done, its all wishy washy guidance, people are fed up and lie, parents of older dc take no notice of the guidance and only a few students are conscientious enough to take the tests at all.

I am absolutely dreading winter.

We should have a smooth seamless roll in and out of measures - smoothly cases rising, masks mandatory, special testing measures, roll to on line learning....for older dc.

[Orangesandlemons77]

@Notonthestairs

On a different thread a poster talked about daily testing rather than isolation. So I'd assume you'd keep testing rather than isolate just in case. Isolation only if you test positive.

I think that's an interesting idea to explore - but I am not a scientist or a doctor!

Yes this is happening in our school. They said it was part of a trial...so may be coming your way soon

[BlackeyedSusan]

We know some people get hearing loss. Michael Rosen was very poorly with Covid and lost hearing in one ear.

It's all a numbers game. The more people who catch it the more there will be in the small percentage that get side effects.

Our school was badly effected in March 2020 and had to close early due to people with symptoms. Then badly effected again in the Autumn. One of my kid's was isolating for nearly 30 school days. (Missed a couple for staggered opening out of those 30) they eventually had to close for a week while as many as possible had a PCR test.

I am hoping that lots of kids are immune now, or at least are likely to get less ill. They had one case recently. More isolation. We are up to 42 school days now.

[Bryonyshcmyony]

Ah! Apologies

[0None0]

@Bryonyshcmyony

Isn't that the same list of illness that someone said had happened at her school?

This is the second thread I’ve mentioned it on

[Bryonyshcmyony]

Isn't that the same list of illness that someone said had happened at her school?

[0None0]

@ClarisseMcClellan

Well I know 3 young teens who have been left permanently disabled

Can you expand on that, how do you know their disability will be permanent or have they lost limbs or something that can't improve.

I'm assuming you must work in a hospital, is it one that specialises in children with covid? If not, is the issue being deliberately covered up, I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it.

I work in a MAT. We have one teen left with type 1 diabetes, 1 teen left with severe hearing loss, and 1 teen left with a severely damaged heart, maybe will need a heart transplant. Apart from that, there are others with damage that might recover, breathlessness, reduced lung capacity, heat arrhythmia. I don’t know if these things are forever. We have two parents who have had amputations.

[osbertthesyrianhamster]

@0None0

I am reading through the thread. I keep reading ‘they won’t shut schools again’. Don’t people realise ‘they’ are shutting many schools right now today?

All Scottish schools will be shut entirely for 6 weeks. It's called summer break. Starts at the end of June here.

[Bryonyshcmyony]

There's no cover up as local papers would report it.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

@0None0

I am reading through the thread. I keep reading ‘they won’t shut schools again’. Don’t people realise ‘they’ are shutting many schools right now today?

I am sure this is the case but the cover up means it is difficult to find fact checked trustworthy online data links. It’s a well kept secret as no (or superficial lip service) testing and lack of data means everything is good and well hidden out of sight. Seemingly it appears schools are “safe” for pupils and unvaccinated staff!? I am guessing the areas with mass community links and travel to Indian subcontinent would be scientifically more likely to import and super spread locally? The usual suspects eg Leicester, north west England former textile towns etc etc?

[0None0]

I am reading through the thread. I keep reading ‘they won’t shut schools again’. Don’t people realise ‘they’ are shutting many schools right now today?