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Face masks and social distancing forever anyone?

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englishmaninnewyork · 10/06/2021 13:17

Susan Michie, Professor of Health Psychology at UCL and a leading member of SAGE, has told Channel 5 that mask-wearing and social distancing will need to stay in place “forever”, not only for Covid but also “to reduce other [diseases]” in the future.
twitter.com/5_News/status/1402682447586811913
Sadly, this fruit cake has the government's ear.
Plenty have warned this past 12 months that changes we have been seeing were the thin edge of the wedge
Dismissed and gas-lighted, sadly.

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DumplingsAndStew · 11/06/2021 08:49

The post might not have been, but your post at 20:55 was.

TheVampiresWife · 11/06/2021 08:58

Fuck that. I'm exempt and have spent the last year scared to get on buses, go to shops or into any public spaces where masks are required because I've had abuse almost every time I do. It's been a lot better lately though yesterday a man did tut, give me a filthy look and move seats on the bus when I sat down two rows behind him. He then proceeded to take his mask down and pick his nose for the rest of the journey.

Oh and cheers to anyone using a lanyard to exempt themselves when they're not exempt. In part it's people like you crowing on social media that have caused others to think those genuinely using lanyards are just taking the piss.

pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:04

Oh give over trying to stir things, it's pathetic. My post was in no way intended to offend people with disabilities, and you know it

This made me laugh in a hollow sort of way. It is not @DumplingsAndStew that is trying to stir things up.

pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:05

twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1403109668856205312

pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:08

Michie doesn't think facemasks should be permanent.

twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1403094193333997573

englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 09:11

[quote pinkearedcow]twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1403109668856205312[/quote]
Masks and social distancing forever. That's what she said, it's there on film. No ambiguity.
What's remarkable about people like this is they hold us plebs in such utter and complete contempt they think they can say something, on camera, to millions of people, then try gaslight us when we draw attention to it (and some people even fall for it @pinkearedcow)
Un-fucking-believable.

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englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 09:14

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pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:21

@englishmaninnewyork She has clarified on Twitter what she means - that SD and masks may be needed if and when we have other outbreaks of very infectious disease. But if you want to push the Daily Mail-esque scaremongering angle that we are all going to have to permanently SD and wear a mask even in the absence of a pandemic/outbreak of infectious disease, then suit yourself. It is not going to happen though.

GoldenOmber · 11/06/2021 09:23

She has clarified on Twitter what she means - that SD and masks may be needed if and when we have other outbreaks of very infectious disease

That’s not what she says in the interview, though, is it?

I can buy that she’s just a really poor communicator in this context, but it’s hardly fair to blame people for taking issue with the things she actually said!

englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 09:28

This is nothing to do with scaremongering @pinkearedcow
This is to do with going on precisely what she said (and which the interviewer stopped her in her tracks to clarify!).
You quite clearly haven't watched the interview ...

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pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:30

I can buy that she’s just a really poor communicator in this context, but it’s hardly fair to blame people for taking issue with the things she actually said!

I agree, but the OP doesn't seem to want to accept the clarification Michie has set out. They seem to think that anyone who does (i.e. me) is a "pleb" who is "falling for it".

pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:31

I did waych it @englishmaninnewyork and then I looked her up on Twitter.

pinkearedcow · 11/06/2021 09:32

watch

englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 09:45

@pinkearedcow

I can buy that she’s just a really poor communicator in this context, but it’s hardly fair to blame people for taking issue with the things she actually said!

I agree, but the OP doesn't seem to want to accept the clarification Michie has set out. They seem to think that anyone who does (i.e. me) is a "pleb" who is "falling for it".

She has not 'clarified' anything @pinkearedcow She has tried to completely deny that she said something which she did. People like this are completely out of touch. She had no idea the reaction to her comments would be so strong so is now back-tracking. It's that simple.
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GoldenOmber · 11/06/2021 09:59

Yeah, I don’t think there’s a nefarious government plan to keep us all in lockdown forever or anything. But ‘clarification’ that she didn’t actually mean masks and she didn’t actually mean forever is a bit of a stretch, given what she clearly did say - repeatedly - in that interview.

SM: Vaccines are a really important part of the pandemic control, but it’s only one part. Test, trace and isolate system, border controls are really essential. And the third thing is people’s behaviour. That is the behaviour of social distancing, of when you’re indoors making sure there’s good ventilation, or if there’s not, wearing face masks, and hand and surface hygiene. We’ll need to keep these going in the long term, and that will be good not only for covid but also to reduce other - at a time when the NHS is -

Interviewer: Sorry to interrupt, Professor Michael, but when you say ‘in the long term’, what do you mean by that? How long?

SM: Um, I think… forever, to some extent.

Then a bit later:

Interviewer: Do you really think that people can continue to live the way that you think we might potentially have to live, wearing the masks, social distancing, spending more time outside, do you think this is something that we can really adapt to? Forever?

SM: I think there’s lots of different behaviours we’ve changed in our lives. We now routinely wear seatbelts, we didn’t used to. We now routinely pick up dog poo, we didn’t used to. When people see that there is a threat and there’s something they can do to reduce that to themselves, their loved ones and their communities, what we’ve seen over the last year is people do that. And I think we can just begin to adopt routines. When we go out of the house, we check that we’ve got our phone, we’ve got keys, we’ve got tissues, we’ve got a face mask in case we need to use it.

Going “obviously I didn’t mean that!” and calling it a ‘clarification’ is a bit of a stretch.

TempsPerdu · 11/06/2021 10:01

She has not 'clarified' anything @pinkearedcow. She has tried to completely deny that she said something which she did. People like this are completely out of touch. She had no idea the reaction to her comments would be so strong so is now back-tracking. It's that simple

This. She referred specifically to face masks in the original interview, then back-pedalled because the backlash was stronger and angrier than expected. Classic ivory tower academic - detached from most people’s reality. No one has twisted or misunderstood her words - she said what she said, and what she said in the interview fits with her stance throughout the pandemic.

englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 10:03

@GoldenOmber

Yeah, I don’t think there’s a nefarious government plan to keep us all in lockdown forever or anything. But ‘clarification’ that she didn’t actually mean masks and she didn’t actually mean forever is a bit of a stretch, given what she clearly did say - repeatedly - in that interview.

SM: Vaccines are a really important part of the pandemic control, but it’s only one part. Test, trace and isolate system, border controls are really essential. And the third thing is people’s behaviour. That is the behaviour of social distancing, of when you’re indoors making sure there’s good ventilation, or if there’s not, wearing face masks, and hand and surface hygiene. We’ll need to keep these going in the long term, and that will be good not only for covid but also to reduce other - at a time when the NHS is -

Interviewer: Sorry to interrupt, Professor Michael, but when you say ‘in the long term’, what do you mean by that? How long?

SM: Um, I think… forever, to some extent.

Then a bit later:

Interviewer: Do you really think that people can continue to live the way that you think we might potentially have to live, wearing the masks, social distancing, spending more time outside, do you think this is something that we can really adapt to? Forever?

SM: I think there’s lots of different behaviours we’ve changed in our lives. We now routinely wear seatbelts, we didn’t used to. We now routinely pick up dog poo, we didn’t used to. When people see that there is a threat and there’s something they can do to reduce that to themselves, their loved ones and their communities, what we’ve seen over the last year is people do that. And I think we can just begin to adopt routines. When we go out of the house, we check that we’ve got our phone, we’ve got keys, we’ve got tissues, we’ve got a face mask in case we need to use it.

Going “obviously I didn’t mean that!” and calling it a ‘clarification’ is a bit of a stretch.

It's gaslighting @GoldenOmber plain and simple. We have seen it throughout this pandemic by government and their cronies. Utterly disgraceful.
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JuneMoonstone · 11/06/2021 10:06

The problem with someone like Susan Michie, is that even though quite frankly she's a complete imbecile and a crazy one at that, because she has an important job title and for some incomprehensible reason is on the SAGE panel, people will take what she says seriously. Many will blindly follow whatever instructions spew out of her miserable mouth and before we know it we're all doing it (it's human nature to follow the crowd). Then what about those whose mental health is in tatters because of this pandemic. How are they going to feel after watching her interview on Channel 5? She said that people's behaviour was a key part of pandemic control and that measures like social distancing and wearing face masks indoors, when there wasn't good ventilation, needed to continue in the long term. When asked how long she gleefully stated, 'forever'. Her words could seriously tip someone over the edge. For someone who is struggling with how life has changed due to the pandemic, hearing someone in authority say that social distancing should continue forever, may well be the very last straw. This horrid creature is not fit to be in her role and should be struck off.

GoldenOmber · 11/06/2021 10:11

Really feel that anyone on SAGE, or similar government advisory role, should pick between ‘you can’t disclose that you’re on SAGE but you get to share your personal views in the media’ and ‘you can publicly say you’re on SAGE, but all your media appearances need to go through government comms and you can’t present your own views as Things We Need To Do.’

Government should have a wide range of voices and specialisms on SAGE and the groups that feed into it, but if you want that membership next to your name on the news, you should be speaking in your formal capacity and not “well here’s what I think everyone should do forever.”

englishmaninnewyork · 11/06/2021 10:14

Agree @GoldenOmber
I also would question the wisdom of having somebody with extreme political beliefs on SAGE.
This woman is a member of the British Communist Party. To me, that is extreme, and I don't think she should part of this government advisory group any more than I think a member of the BNP should be. We are a liberal democracy. None of this sits right.

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JuneMoonstone · 11/06/2021 10:18

@englishmaninnewyork

Agree *@GoldenOmber* I also would question the wisdom of having somebody with extreme political beliefs on SAGE. This woman is a member of the British Communist Party. To me, that is extreme, and I don't think she should part of this government advisory group any more than I think a member of the BNP should be. We are a liberal democracy. None of this sits right.
I totally agree with you on this.
UsedUpUsername · 11/06/2021 10:19

Mask-wearing has become the norm in many Asian countries especially during cold and flu season and on public transport

Only sick people wear masks in Japan (in China, it was only ever due to air pollution). Healthy people never went around wearing masks as some sort of preventative measure.

lljkk · 11/06/2021 11:05

Problem with what Michie said is that it's completely vague.

"a risk" -- what does that mean? > zero? 5%? 25%? What is the "normal" risk of respiratory virus circulating in a "normal" year? Does she even want the old "normal" to be considered acceptable, or does she want us to conform to a new "normal". Should we only think of the risk in shops or should we calibrate against the risk of the virus being in health care settings (where all the sick and vulnerable people cluster and bring their germs to ask about medical treatment for their germs).

I don't know what she wants to say. Not very precise for an academic.

Face masks and social distancing forever anyone?
lljkk · 11/06/2021 11:06

sorry, should have written "a threat" rather than "a risk"... I luffs the no-edit button on MN, truly I don't.

DumplingsAndStew · 11/06/2021 11:12

@GoldenOmber

Really feel that anyone on SAGE, or similar government advisory role, should pick between ‘you can’t disclose that you’re on SAGE but you get to share your personal views in the media’ and ‘you can publicly say you’re on SAGE, but all your media appearances need to go through government comms and you can’t present your own views as Things We Need To Do.’

Government should have a wide range of voices and specialisms on SAGE and the groups that feed into it, but if you want that membership next to your name on the news, you should be speaking in your formal capacity and not “well here’s what I think everyone should do forever.”

That's a really interesting proposal actually, and a good one, imo.