If you personally are against the vaccine AND against lockdowns what do you propose instead?

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I've seen the same people who initially panicked, like many of us, about the situation in Italy in Feb 2020, and declared that something must be done, who are against lockdowns and also anti vax. So they didn't want people dying in the streets, but also didn't want the solutions that the government proposed. What did they want? What do they want now?

My own stance on the pandemic response is:
The government are a bunch of incompetent, self serving tossers who gave ppe contracts to their mates etc. They didn't make timely decisions and are spineless and people pleasing. The nightingales were an expensive publicity stunt. The way they have decimated education is shocking. I'm not saying other parties would have done much better.

I'm having my second AZ today and am certainly not antivax.

I know massive mistakes have been made. I think vaccination is the way out of this mess. I think the original lockdown was needed but should have been shorter. The NHS is woefully underfunded and shouldn't need 'protecting' the way the tory slogans say. Surely shutting down the economy for so long is worse personally for the tories than the financial gain they have made from ppe contracts etc?

If you don't believe vaccination is a solution for covid, and neither is lockdown, what would you want to happen instead?

To be honest I hope the same for everyone. I don't think I know anyone (especially people with young children ) who enjoy lockdown or would ever want to repeat the experience. We made the most of it because it was in DC best interests and we didn't want to spend the time depressing the kids over the situation we were in but we are certainly enjoying some freedom at the moment while we can and just hopeful that it will last and if it wouldn't be too much to ask that we could also keep this weather for a few months

@Lostinacloud
But vaccines are already available to young Vulnerable people...

I echo pretty much all of @jumpbounce s post.

Our year has been a juggle of shielding 10 year old ds, on the advice of his drs, whilst ensuring his teenage sisters kept up their schooling, and maintained their mental health whilst keeping their brother safe. I had to leave my job, and managed to work out homeschooling ds, and keeping links with school.

Ds's paediatrician said he knows of no child under 12 who has been allowed the vaccine off licence. I have several friends, whose children have a variety of extremely complex health needs and learning disabilities...none have been vaccinated. They have all spent the year trying to shield in some form, whether they were officially classed as cev or not.

@m0therofdragons

NHS needs a massive cash injection and far fewer managers aka paper pushers. Better paid and valued nurses. Etc.

This makes me so cross. I’m an nhs manager and we’ve been doing all the planning and communicating to ensure nurses and doctors can do their jobs safely! We are one team and if all the managers left the hospitals wouldn’t be safe. I spend my work supporting clinician and developing models of working that work for patients and clinicians. All the virtual appointment systems that meant those unable to have face to face meetings and kept people safe and away from hospitals; managers did that! Throughout the pandemic the managers have been vital in keeping services going and patients safe. We moved our Cancer services off site completely to a self contained building so only those with cancer were going there. Managers did that! Private hospitals lent us ventilators; managers organised that. The idea managers are just paper pushers really lacks understanding of how a hospital works and what nurses do. Don’t get me wrong, nurses are amazing but so are the managers. I’ve seen exceptional work over the last 12 months so it’s depressing when I’m called a paper pusher having been on call 24/7 for the first 6 months of the pandemic before the rota came in.

This. Without co-ordination everyone is simply making it up as they go along, with clinicians expected to somehow create systems out of thin air whilst simultaneously caring for individual patients. It is both inefficient and, in healthcare, dangerous.

Some of my family members are anti lockdown. They haven't been anti vax previously but are refusing the covid vaccine (they are all physically healthy). Some of them had a relatively mild case of the virus last year & now think they are "as good as vaccinated". Their solution to any & all problems is that people should rely on God to solve them. Also, they all voted Conservative, but are now unhappy with the way the government are dealing with things & think that someone should "sort them out". I've basically run out of acceptable topics of conversation with them, everything descends into me wanting to smack my head against a wall.