Close the F-ing boarder!!

[ilovesouthlondon]

Not sure why I'm using AIBU because I've already made up my mind that i'm not, but interested to hear the thoughts of others...my friend is an air stewardess and says she flys to India regularly in an empty plane but comes back with the plane full! I was surprised as I wrongly assumed that with all systems go prepared for the 21st, travel to the UK from India would be banned unless you are returning home to quarantine or had an emergency family/business issue to attend to. WTF is flying in from a scientifically proven covid varient hot spot still allowed when we're preparing to free ourselves from bondage? Also how come the USA is never on the red list (of course we all know why, I'm just being sarcastic). Rant over!!!

[quote Walkaround]@ilovesouthlondon - I have never commented on your spelling, never accused you of racism, and it is against the rules of mumsnet to trawl your posting history, so why are you dragging all that into comments directed at me and asking me to search your history on mumsnet? You have started a post and then continued it very much in a style where you misinterpret reality, panic about it and write a post, admit your anxiety was caused by not being aware of reality, and overreact to the next thing you read instead. And you ignore a lot of the posts that provide you with more information in favour of picking out the posts that are not about what you say you want the thread to be about. I have written several comments on this thread, yet you are the one who keeps choosing to focus on the one you claim is irrelevant to the point you claim to be making.[/quote]
I haven't bothered reading everything you've written here as your main purpose appears to be to argue which is not helpful. Go back to when you said the problem with my posts...knee jerk reactions and cobbled evidence etc. What you wrote suggested that you see me do this all the time. Seriously read what you wrote to me again. I've never looked through anyone's posting history but 1. You said the problem with my "posts" and 2. There's an option that I've never used which says see OP previous posts which is what I assumed you must have tried to do to make such a statement about my "posts". I really don't want to waste time arguing with you but just wanted to make my reasons for my original response to you clear.

it is against the rules of mumsnet to trawl your posting history

Just on a point of information, no, it isn't.

Op I have more Important things to do than complain abt a silly individual on a public forum. Can’t have a valid discussion with a person who quotes Dominic cummings. I wanted to say my side of side and I’m off.

@ilovesouthlondon - you have derailed your own thread by focusing on the things you say you do not want to focus on and openly admitting you have not bothered to read all the posts!

A work colleague was quite upset thus week that the father of the family had demanded his children pay for his flight ticket. To avoid quarantining he had flown from India here but via Turkey and Tenerife. He could swap his ticket for one flight but couldn't afford the other leg of the journey.

No quarantine required when landed... We are in a major area if concern at the moment and peplople are finding ways to avoid quarantining atm.

Plus at our school some families that should be in quarantine have turned up at school to collect work for children while they are at home rather than ask a 3rd party to do this fir them, or even turn up after travel to come into school straight after arrival from countries requiring quarantine!

I don't think all restrictions will drop on 21st. Boris will do what he's done from day 1. He'll big up his grand plan and then do a u-turn in the final hour.

If you want something else to stew about, did you know that returnees from amber countries who want to make use of the day 5 test to release are able take said test in Boots? So people are wandering out of their houses, mid-quarantine, into town centers and into Boots...

The people you quarantine with also go about their daily business. So while I'm in quarantine (and before and after I stroll to Boots), my husband will continue going out to work and the step kids will go to school 🤷‍♀️

The whole system is ridiculous. It's really not worth getting in a panic about.

No, it didn’t - it was a home grown variant! They tracked Patient Zero a while back (hospitalised in Kent with Covid , aggressively tested, and how the mutation arose in him

Where did you hear that? To my knowledge they have only made assumptions on who patient zero is.

I'm not going to make any comment on the issue of closing the border, I just wanted to make a comment on those moaning about the spelling mistake.

Can I ask you what you get from pointing out that you can spell better than somebody else? It just seems like a cheap and unnecessary shot.

By pointing out the mistake you're also announcing something about yourselves. And to be honest, the character trait you highlight in yourselves is far more worthy of disdain than being bad at spelling.

@Sometimeswinning

Sources are Professor Peter Horby, chair of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG)

Also Dr Jeffrey Barrett, Director of the SARS-CoV-2 Genomics Initiative at the Wellcome Sanger Institute,

@ilovesouthlondon - in answer to your question about your posts, you had posted 35 times on this thread when I first commented. I don’t really understand why you interpreted my post as commenting on other threads you had started, when you had posted prolifically on the one I was commenting on. I hope this clears up your confusion and you feel able to read the content of all the other posts on here, now, without immediately misinterpreting them.

@DolphinFC

I'm not going to make any comment on the issue of closing the border, I just wanted to make a comment on those moaning about the spelling mistake.

Can I ask you what you get from pointing out that you can spell better than somebody else? It just seems like a cheap and unnecessary shot.

By pointing out the mistake you're also announcing something about yourselves. And to be honest, the character trait you highlight in yourselves is far more worthy of disdain than being bad at spelling.

Because the chances are that anyone who has actually researched the topic (which OP has admitted they haven't) would be able to spell such a dominant word.

I think you mean prominent.

@MyrtlethePurpleTurtle

Oh stop it with the facts and balanced information. There are FOREIGNERS in Kent, therefore it must have been the FOREIGNERS - it’s the only explanation.

@DolphinFC

Nope, definitely meant dominant.

Although quite ironic how you're now the one pointing out supposed issues in someone's post...

Sorry, you're right.

For a moment I let my standards slip and reduced myself you your level.

@JoyOrbison

A work colleague was quite upset thus week that the father of the family had demanded his children pay for his flight ticket. To avoid quarantining he had flown from India here but via Turkey and Tenerife. He could swap his ticket for one flight but couldn't afford the other leg of the journey.

No quarantine required when landed... We are in a major area if concern at the moment and peplople are finding ways to avoid quarantining atm.

Plus at our school some families that should be in quarantine have turned up at school to collect work for children while they are at home rather than ask a 3rd party to do this fir them, or even turn up after travel to come into school straight after arrival from countries requiring quarantine!

Yes that was the point I was making. Not being honest about following procedures correctly and dodging quarantining hence the situation

@DolphinFC

Sorry, you're right.

For a moment I let my standards slip and reduced myself you your level.

To your*

Laughing at a typo. Not a good look is it.

I'm leaving this thread and Mumsnet forever. It really is as awful as people say it is.

I may have math wrong...

Given India is a country of 1.4 billion, and is widely said to have a comprehensive 'good' testing programme, for them to reach 130k cases on 7 April... is similar to when England (base popn56 million) reached 5.2k cases/d.

Google says England reached case count ~5400/day on 24 Sept 2020. Should rest of world have shut borders to UK then in case a VoC was to blame?

@lljkk - given the knowledge of the Indian issues was concentrated in the big cities, as they have little grasp of what is going on in the countryside, and it is well accepted there are far too many people there to test in anywhere near the proportions of people the British were testing, and the country was already patently in chaos and unable to keep up with the demand for tests, I think your figures are deliberately disingenuous, especially given the proportion of passengers coming over to the UK at the time who were testing positive and would have been positive cases during the flights. It all pointed towards there being a far more established problem there than it had been established was the case in the UK in September 2020. Also, most countries are capable of learning from previous mistakes - the spread of the Kent variant potentially being one of them.

It all comes down to how much damage may have been caused by delaying putting a country on the red list for several days longer than appeared to make sense with regard to India, but by breaking promises not to react without warning for Portugal. It’s like one extreme to another, with limited sense to be made out of the explanations.

What border do you want to close
Remember the UK is not an island

Should rest of world have shut borders to UK then in case a VoC was to blame?

Yes. It would have protected them from the Alpha (formerly known as the UK) strain.

@LemonandGingerTeafor2

What border do you want to close Remember the UK is not an island

If you're referring to NI, that hasn't stopped the Republic of Ireland imposing restrictions on arrivals from mainland UK. Very sensible decision from ROI.

We are a high risk country.

We've already exported one new variant around the world.

We have a moral responsibility to not spread yet another. Particularly to countries who are behind our vaccine rollout.

It all pointed towards there being a far more established problem

Yes the established problem in India was the Alpha (UK) strain. That's what started India's problems. Their Delta (Indian) variant only became an issue later on.

We exported the Alpha variant around the world - causing a lot of problems for many places.