Who's currently cancelling their holiday to Portugal then?

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I also think this TownTalkJewels.

I reckon up to 3 or 4years of disrupted foreign travel

Back in the 70s foreign travel for holidays for most was either a package to somewhere like Spain or driving to France. It was expensive to do otherwise.
Eventually the tourist industry boomed for various reasons. Now for other reasons it's floundering and everyone wants to save it. Lovely solidarity with workers in the industry there. I like to see that.

If only that had happened with coal, steel, car, chemical, textileindustries etc etc. But nope-for those it was pretty much "their time has come' or" big reset" or "we're post industrial now".

So yes. It is tragic for individuals losing jobs because of this. I'm one of them. I'm also separated from family.
The only way as pp said is to go through it.

And stop voting for incompetent liars.

jgw1

I'm now very worried what this means for my holiday on Ascension Island, if it suddenly goes onto the amber list on the boat home, does that mean I have to isolate?

But maybe we ARE looking at a different future for the time being.

One where foreign travel is minimised, and only used for essential stuff. Maybe we should adapt to this for the time being?

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But maybe we ARE looking at a different future for the time being.

One where foreign travel is minimised, and only used for essential stuff. Maybe we should adapt to this for the time being?

Some of us don't want to adapt to it. Some of us need sunshine and warmth and really look forward to being somewhere that is not here for a week a year.

I'm not writing off my August trip just yet. At the end of June last year pubs and restaurants were only open for takeaway, not even outdoor dining or beer gardens. And we had a week abroad in Aug 20. A lot can change in 3 months.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But maybe we ARE looking at a different future for the time being.

One where foreign travel is minimised, and only used for essential stuff. Maybe we should adapt to this for the time being?

The danger is it is starting to look the the "we" in "we ARE" might be very much limited to the Brits, lots of other nations are trying to minimise damage and function despite a low level of Covid..

We need to understand that minimising foreign travel into/out of the UK damages the UK economy and risks your options for foreign travel, once it returns, being facilitated by foreign companies.....and that will have consequences.

There will be no point complaining three or four years down the road when almost the only way to get to Oz/NZ involves a transit stop at one of the highly popular around this place Gulf state airports...

Surely it doesn't just matter how many people in the UK have been vaccinated (agree with PP it's still not "most"), other countries have their own vaccination schedules and if we only look to our own and let people fly off wherever they'll bring new variants back with them from all over?

I agree at some point we have to get on with life but unless you have family abroad or a medical reason to travel, holidays are not a basic human right.

But flying in and out of the U.K. has public health consequences.

I’m just suggesting that maybe life will change in the future. To a scenario that we don’t yet perceive.

Having tourism open would help the U.K. economy and those of other places, but there’s a trade off. Is there any point in opening it up if the result is another lockdown 6-8 weeks from now. That would likely be far worse on the economy.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

But flying in and out of the U.K. has public health consequences

Yep, even now both pros and cons in proportion, you've got researchers/academics flying in/out, (thats why those involved in clinical trials, medical evacuation and covid related research get a waiver from quarantine )..people flying out to get healthcare in countries abroad..

logistics,Vaccines/vaccine components/PPE/other medical bits and bobs being flown in, as belly cargo on passenger flights......

Simply closing borders/banning travel (which some are calling for) could have a detrimental effect on public health...

I’m not talking about closing borders to essential things.

I’m talking about a world where maybe foreign holidays don’t happen for a few years.

@Needanewhat

Why people would even have booked a holiday abroad this year is beyond me

It was obvious it was going to go tits up

Exactly

There are still uk holiday cottages to be had - grab them quickly!

I’m talking about a world where maybe foreign holidays don’t happen for a few years.

OK, well it would be interesting to see that plan offered up to many in the Caribbean, other parts of the developing world, and even those involved in the hospitality industry in the UK......

and given the industrial/company casualties that would result from such a policy there's also no guarantee that essential travellers/freight would have access to the number/frequency of flights into the UK they had prior to Covid if you've banned everybody else from taking flights for "non-essential" reasons.

Consequences, consequences......

Some of us don't want to adapt to it. Some of us need sunshine and warmth and really look forward to being somewhere that is not here for a week a year.

Can some of us really not cope without a holiday abroad though? There is a massive difference between need and would like isn't there?

I agree it is far better for the wider economy to not have foreign travel but avoid a lockdown.

TBH I've limited sympathy. The government has fucked up over and over; surely people should know by now to exercise caution?

@shakingstevensfan

I agree it is far better for the wider economy to not have foreign travel but avoid a lockdown.

.and you've presumably come to that conclusion having factored in benefits payments to X x 100,000 in the travel industry now unemployed, reduction/loss of tax "take "from them, plus loss of income from foreign tourists?

Some of us don't want to adapt to it. Some of us need sunshine and warmth and really look forward to being somewhere that is not here for a week a year.

The national obsession with 10 days on a sunlounger has just gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

Jesus wept - there are some self absorbed arseholes on this thread.

I think there are a lot of people who only have holidays to look forward to. People are working longer and longer hours with less downtime, for many there is little hope of ever owning a home, holidays are what people live for. It might not be what everyone does but it’s certainly what a lot do and mocking people for their personal priorities is pretty shitty.

But there are consequences to holiday travel too.

The world would adapt. It’s a pandemic.

@HereWeGoAgainPart2

I think there are a lot of people who only have holidays to look forward to. People are working longer and longer hours with less downtime, for many there is little hope of ever owning a home, holidays are what people live for. It might not be what everyone does but it’s certainly what a lot do and mocking people for their personal priorities is pretty shitty.

Completely agree. Some people on this thread (and others) are showing themselves up to be utter arseholes.

In all honesty, if not being able to go on holiday was the worst thing that had happened to me as a result of this pandemic, I'd consider myself pretty lucky.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I’m not talking about closing borders to essential things.

I’m talking about a world where maybe foreign holidays don’t happen for a few years.

So you're happy for your government to diotate to you the circumstances in which you may or may not leave your country 'for a few years'?

By the current logic, banned travel isn’t one more year- it’s the foreseeable future.

Err no - it SHOULD have been banned completely until the UK had completed its vaccine program, and then allowed with proper restrictions.

But instead we had the ridiculous duality of the government both telling everyone it was fine to go abroad for holidays, and simultaneously advising them not to.