What’s happens when we’re all vaccinated....

[Backjlack]

One all adults are vaccinated (with both doses) what happens?

Will it then go back to the start of offering boosters in vulnerability order?

Will the boosters be the same vaccine that you’ve been given as your first and second dose?

Does anyone actually know?

Interested to hear opinions.

I agree. 100% of everyone I know who has been offered the vaccine has had it from BAME neighbours to relatives in different area of the country - everyone of those I know (except for me).

We don't know yet how long the vaccine lasts - probably about 6 months? However there will be annual winter injections for it I expect as with flu - what my doctor father used to call the old person's friend as it was a nice way to kill off the very old compared with some other nasties.

What about the post that comment was in reply to -
Why on earth would I do that? Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. My intention is to leave it another 12 months to see what side effects all the vaccinated have, then I will make a decision. I don't do experimental vaccines. Hth

So antivaxxers are relying on everyone else to take the experimental jab to reduce their chances of contracting covid? It doesn’t work like that. There is no evidence to suggest that those who have had the vaccine can’t pass it on. The whole idea of the vaccine is to prevent symptoms becoming so bad that hospitalisation is required. Those that have refused the jab will have no protection at all. But don’t let a small thing like that get in the way of your selfish thoughts.

There is no comparison between wards having to be closed off because a person with covid has turned up to be treated, thus preventing others who require treatment from having it and someone who abuses their own body. Smokers, alcoholics, morbidly obese people do not close wards to others.

Think of how many people have lost their lives or are still waiting an excruciatingly long time for treatment because wards have had to be closed because of covid over the past year.

I guess antivaxxers have no sympathy towards others. “I’m alright Jack”. Well, there you go.... 🤷🏻‍♀️

I've just finished a contract with DHSC fit testing masks and respirstors for NHS staff, the ONLY masks that protect both staff AND patients are the FFP3 respirators (that need proper fit testing) - anything else has gaps for unfiltered air to get in and out, so you're still at risk. There's been a study by a clean air think tank to show that NHS policy of only wearing a respirator for aerosol generating procedures is likely to be fuelling the spread amongst staff. A cough generates 4x more aerosol than CPAP but staff are only authorised to wear blue masks for parents coughing... Super logical eh? Will post the link shortly.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/covid-coughing-study-suggests-nhs-staff-at-far-greater-risk-than-thought

The biggest challenge to the NHS is obesity. Perhaps we should refuse NHS treatment for anyone over weight.

Cheaper (long term) and kinder to provide support (housing, money for healthy food, storage, and cooking facilities), and NHS preventative proactive treatment (including quicker diagnoses with less dismissal of patient symptoms).

It's worth noting one of the biggest links to obesity (and obesity related conditions) is stress.

I am expecting booster jabs in the autumn or winter. I did not say to the person who gave me the second vaccine that I hope for good reasons we do not meet again, as I am expecting booster jabs.

Those of you who choose not to have the vaccine, can I ask you if you feel any guilt at all that the 21 June date will be scrapped? Those abstaining from their civic duty are contributing to our continuing misery.

Baluchistan95

Lol, youd be amazing in a war effort!!

@MajorMakeover

Those of you who choose not to have the vaccine, can I ask you if you feel any guilt at all that the 21 June date will be scrapped? Those abstaining from their civic duty are contributing to our continuing misery.

It is our shambles of a government and general handling of the pandemic that may mean 21/6 is scrapped... oh, and a new variant. But it is too easy to point the finger at people exercising their own bodily autonomy isn't it. Just as bad as the knob in Lidl who told me that I am responsible for lockdowns (I am mask exempt).

XenoBitch

What do you think about the governments of America, France, India etc, what have they done different? From what i see, there death toll is really no different to ours when you compare population and logistics. Sweden didnt even lockdown, their government went for herd immunity.

@MajorMakeover

Those of you who choose not to have the vaccine, can I ask you if you feel any guilt at all that the 21 June date will be scrapped? Those abstaining from their civic duty are contributing to our continuing misery.

I am starting to feel this way too. And no not from MSM nut from what medical colleagues tell me I support people right to choose if they have the vaccine, but I am also starting to support my right to benefit from it. That's true choice going down to its core and owing your actions I don't see why those who don't have the option to choose the vaccine should also suffer

I wish there was more discussion by the experts about what the plan is for autumn/winter as immunity from the vaccine fades. People say we'll have boosters but will it be as easy as the regular flu jab? Flu and pneumonia are seasonal but this virus is not. The vaccine rollout has been a massive logistical exercise relying on an army of volunteers but how sustainable will this be in the long term with ongoing boosters? At the moment I can't see a way out without continuing with restrictions. This isn't even taking into account the fact that under 18s are yet to be considered for any vaccinations. I would like to hear more from the scientists about what the plan is.

@XenoBitch

Why is it the governments fault if 21st June scrapped ?

Are they controlling variants ? You do realise we have new variants developing here as well?

[quote Unsure33]@XenoBitch

Why is it the governments fault if 21st June scrapped ?

Are they controlling variants ? You do realise we have new variants developing here as well?[/quote]
Because it is literally their decision.

@mrshoho

I am not sure they know . Each year for flu they have to try and anticipate what the variant will be and adjust the vaccine . But the rate of new variants with this virus does seem to be unprecedented . And not every country has the genome sequencing or testing we have so there could be more to come.

@mrshoho

The best way - for the economy and health (taking into account too the cost of Long Covid to the long term economy) is what East Asia, Australia, and New Zealand are aiming for. Elimination. Which is only not possible if people (either with an agenda or lack of patience/understanding) insist it isn't - and as a result we accept their defeatism.

Majority of the population - 80-90% - vaccinated means much reduced chance of further transmission (which also means limited opportunity for the virus to mutate).

Experts have warned about the long-term (financial) costs of allowing it to become endemic.

If we did allow it become endemic in the UK, aside from the damaging impact on long term health, avoidable deaths, and the economy, I should imagine other countries will require their citizens to get vaccinated for travel to the UK - in the same way as we have travel vaccinations when we go to some places.

Perhaps they'll also impose restrictions on UK travellers (like France, the US, and many others are currently doing) when we have a particularly bad outbreak.

So - if the government used it's brains for once - we might need boosters this autumn/winter, but if we take the right action now, we wouldn't need to do it long term on an annual basis.

@XenoBitch

Your reply does not make sense .

They have to base the decision on lots of different factors .if they risk a severe rise in deaths or serious illness they will be irresponsible . If they don’t open up they will risk damage to the economy and mental health .

This is down to the virus and many other factors .

What do you think they should do?

[quote Unsure33]@XenoBitch

Your reply does not make sense .

They have to base the decision on lots of different factors .if they risk a severe rise in deaths or serious illness they will be irresponsible . If they don’t open up they will risk damage to the economy and mental health .

This is down to the virus and many other factors .

What do you think they should do?[/quote]
Sorry, my head is jumbled right now so I don't make sense to me either!
I don't know what should be done... I don't think any of us truly knows the answer to that one. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

@Tealightsandd

So you are saying complete lock down including none of the thousands of imports and exports that happen by road transport ? ( which. Includes food , medical equipment etc)

@XenoBitch

🙂

Yes they are ,and the thing I actually can’t get my head round is that people are accusing a conservative government of wanting lockdown to control people ? The last thing they want is to damage business . I think it’s obvious Boris wants to open up and have personal responsibility . Unfortunately I think he overestimates the intelligence of some of the British public .

[quote Unsure33]@Tealightsandd

So you are saying complete lock down including none of the thousands of imports and exports that happen by road transport ? ( which. Includes food , medical equipment etc)[/quote]
No. Not a single country in the world has done that.

Quite a few have restricted international travel to genuinely essential only (which obviously includes imports). With good checks and testing (PCR, not much more unreliable LFT). And proper quarantine, as in airport hotels or quarantine coaches to quarantine hotel. No getting onto public transport from the airport.

I agree Sleepwould. If I am putting my body at risk getting the AZ then I should reap the benefits, otherwise there is no motivation for me to be further vaccinated.

If I am not allowed to live a normal life and do what I want vaccinated, then the benefits of the vaccine come tumbling down and the risk-benefit starts to swing the other way. There’s no point me getting my second vaccine if I not going anywhere to catch it.

@Tealightsandd So that would be our future indefinitely? I know places like New Zealand and Australia have taken that approach but can you realistically see it happening here? I'm not saying it is right or wrong, hell do I know how this is ever going to end.

@mrshoho
I wish I could remember where I read it.

A really good article over the weekend. Experts explaining why we should do the same as Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, Australia, NZ, and others.

I can't remember for sure but I think they said Europe was also aiming for it. Biden appears in favour too (he needs to overcome the hurdle of vaccine hesitancy in the US to achieve this).

They explained well why it's the cheaper option long term. Obviously also the life-saving option, and better healthwise.

They noted we're at crossroads now. We have the choice but only if Boris doesn't blow it...

Those of you who choose not to have the vaccine, can I ask you if you feel any guilt at all that the 21 June date will be scrapped?

Nope, not in the slightest. What with not having had covid during this particular time period and therefore not being responsible for spread in any way at all.