Is Boris trying for Herd Immunity in Children?

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Is the government trying for herd immunity with our children?

No mitigations despite increasing cases & more transmissible variant.

No data has been released for schools and the new variant, despite calls from all the unions.

He’s never let go of herd immunity and doesn’t seem at all concerned about the risks of long covid in kids or the fact that some do get ill and that they can spread it to their families.

You seem to be assuming that Boris actually has a strategy?

He doesn't give a shit. Never has and never will. He's a fire fighter not a fire preventer, he's only concerned about Brexit trade deals and the economy, everything else is a sad consequence as it's Trade and the Economy that will sway any voting.

I'm very worried about the apparent deliberate suppression of data about transmission of the indian variant in schools.
Meanwhile the data that we do have suggests that the vast majority of individuals poorly in Bolton/Blackburn etc are under 20.
It may well be that they're mostly symptomless or have very mild symptomless but a. we really don't know about the risk of getting long covid (not related to the seriousness of your symptoms in the first place I don't think) and b. it goes without saying how detrimental continued periods of self isolation are for everyone.

I just hope that as more and more adults get vaccinated, outbreaks in schools will become rarer.

Mr Johnson's only plan relating to children is not to acknowledge all those he has fathered (allegedly) and to treat their mothers disgracefully, including leaving one when they were having cancer treatment.

I just dont think he has a strategy either - what would one be though?

We know it doesnt affect them in terms of death so it really is long covid vs self isolation and not being able to live.

Where do you go for them - vaccinations - the risks from that with the heart inflammation how does that stack up against long covid?

The challenges and risks are there with every single choice - and Boris Johnson doesnt like making choices. So at the moment he simply isnt making one.

Vaccines may well be the answer but what are the risks for that as opposed to COVID itself and that is the unanswerable.

The older you are the easier the vaccine vs COVID decision is to make. The younger you are it becomes much harder

There’s precious little chance he has ANY strategy.

And TBH most parents simply want their kids in school whatever.

There should be consideration towards children who are medically vulnerable, or who have parents who have not been able to receive a vaccine for medical reasons; but schools can't and should not close again. Unless deaths and hospitalizations rise amongst children which there is no evidence for, then rising cases aren't a reason at all.

Never assume conspiracy before cock up especially not with this lot in charge.

I know this is the Daily Mail but I think this sums it up well

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9631987/Boris-Johnson-forced-decide-child-jabs.html

iSAGE suspects, in the absence of any other reasonable explanation:
Listen /watch their meeting yesterday from 50 mins in

Seems crazy to have abandoned masks in schools.

I doubt he will have a plan until its too late.

@Miikesnow

I agree with your sentiment.

What is the issue with children gaining natural immunity. There is no doubt in my mind Id prefer my child to develop natural immunity rather than from non- regulated vaccination

And I can’t believe people are still going on about masks in school.

That also was morally reprehensible to do that to developing children with no evidence it made one iota of difference to infections

Yes, I think he is.

If hospitalisation does not increase, it is a good strategy.

But I think it will be by a combination of infection and vaccination. Children will be vaccinated.

@hamstersarse,

You do know that diseases are not ‘regulated’, either?!

I would far rather my children acquired immunity from an unregulated vaccine than an unregulated illness.

But, I agree, we need to push on through now, if vaccines continue to work and hospitals can cope.

hamstersarse, I did word it carefully, posted it and then thought is this too strong? Then I thought, actually it isn 't.

He gives zero shits...so you want your child to catch it hamsterarse let’s hope they don’t end up like my friends son whose been left with kidney disease and high blood pressure

Using these jabs on children is ethically challenging. Although they keep being called vaccinations, the mechanism is different to all other vaccines used to date and they work in a completely different way. There is no long term data for these jabs and won't be for some considerable time. Right at the beginning, scientists were saying mRNA vectors were likely to increase the incidence of autoimmune diseases in the future but they offered possibilities to help quickly in the present. Not so much an issue for the over 60s, who are also most at risk from Covid. But another consideration for children.

I'm not sure it's ethically justifiable, in any case, to vaccinate one population (children) primarily to protect another, unrelated, group (older adults), given that some of these children will be affected by the vaccine (what risk is acceptable if there's no direct benefit to the group?). I think an argument could be made in very specific circumstances e.g. families at particular risk but not universally where there is an indirect personal benefit to the child.

I just googled Germany for another reason and see that they will be vaccinating 12 upwards from June which I found interesting

What would you do op?

@secretskillrelationships,

Although vaccinating children protects adults, it also protects the children themselves.

We vaccinate against mumps, measles and Rubella, none (on average) worse than COVID for children. In the states they also routinely vaccinate against chicken pox.

Vaccines are not just for deadly diseases. People seem v blasé about their children catching an unpleasant illness that will almost certainly keep them off school for 10 days or so and, in some cases, lead to far more serious side effects.

The kids around here weren't following lock down anyway with them hanging around no masks at each other's houses, sleepovers, parties (police found 120 sixth formers in a barn here. Masks are thus no big deal

Mine are 14 & 17 both would be queuing up for the vaccine.

We vaccinate against mumps, measles and Rubella, none (on average) worse than COVID for children. In the states they also routinely vaccinate against chicken pox

This isn't true measles kills in the developing world and can cause long term neurological damage as well as blindness.Chicken pox kills children every year in this country.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@secretskillrelationships,

Although vaccinating children protects adults, it also protects the children themselves.

We vaccinate against mumps, measles and Rubella, none (on average) worse than COVID for children. In the states they also routinely vaccinate against chicken pox.

Vaccines are not just for deadly diseases. People seem v blasé about their children catching an unpleasant illness that will almost certainly keep them off school for 10 days or so and, in some cases, lead to far more serious side effects.[/quote]
Lots of those are not overly harmful in this country because they're not hugely prevalent due to vaccinations, some though are much more dangerous for children than covid is at present, so that statement isn't true at all.