Is Boris trying for Herd Immunity in Children?

[wondersun]

Is the government trying for herd immunity with our children?

No mitigations despite increasing cases & more transmissible variant.

No data has been released for schools and the new variant, despite calls from all the unions.

He’s never let go of herd immunity and doesn’t seem at all concerned about the risks of long covid in kids or the fact that some do get ill and that they can spread it to their families.

@traumatisednoodle,

COVID has killed healthy children (v few, but it has) and can certainly cause long term neurological damage.

We clearly have no idea of the long term effects of COVID in children.

COVID killed 20 children in the U.K. in 2020 (government data), chickenpox the same number.

For some reason, people think COVID is harmless to children. It is rarely deadly, but certainly harmful and comparable to all the other childhood illnesses.

But children do presumably die of t1 diabetes and asthma which are likely to be side effects of covid in some kids.
In my dc family there isn't really anyone at zero risk appart from themselves. Parents over 40. Gp 65-75. Ggp 80+. So it wouldnot befor random people.
Who wants to isolate for 10d every 6m??

Covid can also cause male infertility, rarely mentioned, and yes some children have become type 1 diabetic

@Blacktothepink

Covid can also cause male infertility, rarely mentioned, and yes some children have become type 1 diabetic

Can you link to info for this?

@TheReluctantPhoenix

For some reason, people think COVID is harmless to children. It is rarely deadly, but certainly harmful and comparable to all the other childhood illnesses.

Children hospitalised due to COVID almost certainly overcounted:

nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2021/05/study-number-of-kids-hospitalized-for-covid-is-overcounted.html?__twitter_impression=true

I don’t think long Covid is an issue if you were symptomless when you had Covid, is it?

Boris Johnson doesn't care if British children get covid any more than he cares if British adults get covid.

He only cares about keeping the schools open so their parents can go to work.

@paralysedbyinertia

You seem to be assuming that Boris actually has a strategy?

Oh he does. He wants to go down in the history books as having been Prime Minister and he certainly seems to have had a successful strategy for enriching his mates.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

@hamstersarse

And I can’t believe people are still going on about masks in school.

That also was morally reprehensible to do that to developing children with no evidence it made one iota of difference to infections

Of course masks in schools made a difference, that is why when schools reopened last September rates remained low throughout the winter. If it wasn't for mask is schools and other "covid safe" measures we would have been in lockdown for months over the winter.

It had crossed my mind too.

He only cares about keeping the schools open so their parents can go to work.

Not sure that is a high priority. Given that we need a solution to ongoing disruption for some.

@hahaboink

I don’t think long Covid is an issue if you were symptomless when you had Covid, is it?

It doesn't seems to be the case. There are many article suggesting that you can get long covid without symptoms. After all, you have the virus inside you that affect whole body, not just respiratory system.

Make fertility and the Covid-19 pandemic. Systemic Review of The Literature.
This is the study Marsha

That should be Male fertility 🙄

@Blacktothepink

Make fertility and the Covid-19 pandemic. Systemic Review of The Literature. This is the study Marsha

Ok thanks

I scanned it, which part concerned you? It seems to be inconclusive?

CONCLUSIONS

The evidence regarding a putative impact of SARS-CoV-2 infection on male reproduction, as well as the potential of SARS-CoV-2 viral transmission though seminal fluids, remains inconclusive.

Was it the studies on other CoV or something else in particular

@Quartz2208

I just dont think he has a strategy either - what would one be though?

We know it doesnt affect them in terms of death so it really is long covid vs self isolation and not being able to live.

Where do you go for them - vaccinations - the risks from that with the heart inflammation how does that stack up against long covid?

The challenges and risks are there with every single choice - and Boris Johnson doesnt like making choices. So at the moment he simply isnt making one.

Vaccines may well be the answer but what are the risks for that as opposed to COVID itself and that is the unanswerable.

The older you are the easier the vaccine vs COVID decision is to make. The younger you are it becomes much harder

What you've said is not accurate.

There's no evidence that says a vaccine causes myocarditis is caused by a vaccine.
There is evidence that Covid causes myocarditis.

There might not have been a high amount of deaths in children here. However other countries have had higher deaths than us.

There have been trial on children age 7up that have showed good results.
There are currently trials age 6 up

The only way to get children back to school without constant breaks is vaccination. It also means children unable to get the vaccine can attend school fairly safely.

Torvean the WHO are reviewing it and the CDC has released guidance

www.aappublications.org/news/2021/05/27/covid-vaccine-myocarditis-guidance-052721

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

So that isnt entirely true - its something that I am willing to say might not be true but personally would like to be investigated.

I think that with the removal with masks in secondary schools is for the numbers to increase in children to scare the parents into vaccinating the kids. Repeatedly the government has indirectly said that the uncertainty will continue until everyone is vaccinated. By September all over 18's will have been offered the vaccine and they want to vaccinate children. My stance is that when my child is ove 18 then they can make Thier own decision about what they are putting in Thier body.

I just don't see how ethically you can vaccinate healthy children using an experimental vaccine via emergency procedures.
Strange times

I keep asking myself why, why on earth are they so desperate to vaccinate everyone, when the average age of death from covid is 82, so what benefit is there of giving the jab to our children, unless they have health problems, I can see no benefit what so ever.

You just have to go on the government yellowcard site and look at all the many horrible side effects that people are suffering from, it just makes no sense to give the jab to our children.

@HelloMissus

There’s precious little chance he has ANY strategy.

And TBH most parents simply want their kids in school whatever.

And why wouldn't parents want their dc in school whatever? Missing education(time that they don't get to go back and re do i might add) is more of a threat to them than covid ever will be.....