Page 31 | Cummings evidence today

megletthesecond · 27/05/2021 08:30

"They weren’t elected to oversee a pandemic".

I find it terrifying that people with this attitude have the vote. They were elected to deal with whatever crap was thrown at them. Pandemic planning isn't asking for much.

TheoMeo · 27/05/2021 08:36

I have very little time for someone who thinks the public are so STUPID they will believe he drove to a tourist attraction to "test his eyesight".
Or for someone who thinks the public couldn't see the cockups as they happened.
Does he really think we believe Boris is a great PM- unfortunately there was no one else at the time!

the80sweregreat · 27/05/2021 08:40

They were not testing anyone back in March or April last year.
The hospitals had to be cleared for covid patients and many patients couldn't go home for one reason or another , so a residential home or another type of care home facility was probably seen as as solution to this 'problem. '
The carers didn't have ppe for months or just ones that were not that protective.
Many care home providers and their employees were sitting ducks. This is how I see it , although I'm sure the government would say this is rubbish. The ' ring of steel' wasn't tight enough , if it did exist at all.
I hope someone takes up the cause of this care home scandal and we might get to the truth of what did happen.
I'm not holding my breath though.

MaxNormal · 27/05/2021 08:45

Cummings is a nasty totalitarian little oik on the make with a huge axe to grind.
He actually said it would have been better managed under a dictator.
Of course he is all for harder lockdowns - they wouldn't affect him financially and he doesn't even bother following the rules.

And before anyone accuses me of being a Johnson supporter, I can't stand the man. The whole thing is an unedifying shitshow. But I don't trust this little ploy to presumably get the even worse Gove in power.

the80sweregreat · 27/05/2021 08:53

If DC hadn't broken the rules last year and did what everyone was told and advised to do and stayed at home, then maybe people wouldn't be so quick to not believe him now. The fact that he should have been sacked back then ( or resigned) means that there will not be any trust that any of this was true or just seen as a grudge against his former colleagues.
I already heard Nicky Campbell say this to Angela Raynor on the radio today. Yesterday will be dismissed as lies.

Quartz2208 · 27/05/2021 08:57

For me the most damming thing against Boris Johnson is that he didnt foresee this happening as Dominic Cummings parting shot to him. He let him leave in the fashion that he did and seem to assume that would be it.

You dont let a man like Dominic Cummings help you to power and then cast him aside without expecting something to blowback onto you. This whole thing for me (regardless of the veracity of what Cummings said) is that it makes him seem like the bumbling fool he is. If he wanted Cummings out Barnard Castle was the perfect opportunity to do so - why back him them only to have him leave 6 months later.

Gove is equally useless - its clear though that Cummings has some respect for Rishi Sunak he was neutral about him. I dont think the ploy will work Gove lacks charisma, charm and the gravitias needed to become a leader.

Iggly · 27/05/2021 09:04

@the80sweregreat

If DC hadn't broken the rules last year and did what everyone was told and advised to do and stayed at home, then maybe people wouldn't be so quick to not believe him now. The fact that he should have been sacked back then ( or resigned) means that there will not be any trust that any of this was true or just seen as a grudge against his former colleagues. I already heard Nicky Campbell say this to Angela Raynor on the radio today. Yesterday will be dismissed as lies.

And more fool those for dismissing what he says as lies. He’s been fact checked and it looks legit!

Leonardsgirl · 27/05/2021 09:08

I'm surprised so many people are now treating Dominic Cummings as some sort of hero. The man is a self serving snake. This is all about the transfer of power to Sunak and Gove and people are falling for it. He's a manipulator and gives not a shit about anyone else.

If it was all genuine he should have become a whistleblower a year ago. He's a liar, disloyal and untrustworthy.

Boris is just a fool. An utter fool. We deserve better.

Minstermouse · 27/05/2021 09:17

Zzelda

Viviennemary
“Cummings is a nasty spiteful vindictive piece of work. He should never be in any kind of influential position agsin. He is also a liar who twists the truth for his own ends….”

🤣 remind you of anyone else?

TableFlowerss · 27/05/2021 09:34

I think he’s the biggest hypocrite going. The whole barnard castle carry on. It’s not like he was holier than though and done everything right .

Spiteful jealous man. He’s only raging because he got sacked. Most people can see what he appears to be doing....

Viviennemary · 27/05/2021 09:43

But mistakes are being made now. Like ease of travel restrictions when a dangerous new variant is already increasing at a rapid rate. A plane load of people allowed in from India a few weeks ago inspite of the tragedy unfolding there. Massive overcrowding at airport. Yet weve all got to be so careful at our local supermarket.

Leonardsgirl · 27/05/2021 09:47

Viviennemary Mistakes will always be made. I agree with you about flights from India etc. An enquiry, sooner, rather than later, is vital.

But we're in a good position at the moment. I'm in London, it's a gorgeous sunny day, at last, and all I see is people going about their daily business and enjoying the moment. We can't live under restrictions forever, and people are right not to want to. Many people are now vaccinated. Are people really still worried about going to the local supermarket? It's not what I'm seeing.

QualityRoads · 27/05/2021 09:47

A lot of what he said were truths which we knew already, but useful to have them listed and brought back on the agenda.

The lies I won't fall for:

He isn't clever and didn't have enough influence

His excuse for the Barnard Castle trip

Rishi is blameless

He knew nothing about Eat Out to Help Catch the Virus

He doesn't remember whether he attended Cobra meeting in Feb, but remembers other matters in great detail

He is sorry

Sirius99 · 27/05/2021 10:02

megletthesecond
Why would they have a credible plan for a worldwide pandemic the likes that we have never seen before, (1918 ) with a virus that the WHO said was not transmitted between humans, Sage suggesting not to lockdown,
What next a workable plan for alien invasion or a Zombie apocalypse or the big meteor hit, unfortunately some things can’t be fully planned for, Yes, I do think the government should have closed the borders earlier, I would imagine that we will be better prepared for/if there is another worldwide pandemic in are lifetimes, not just us, but the whole world with a coordinated response, that stop all international travel immediately

AIMummy · 27/05/2021 10:10

@Sirius99

megletthesecond Why would they have a credible plan for a worldwide pandemic the likes that we have never seen before, (1918 ) with a virus that the WHO said was not transmitted between humans, Sage suggesting not to lockdown, What next a workable plan for alien invasion or a Zombie apocalypse or the big meteor hit, unfortunately some things can’t be fully planned for, Yes, I do think the government should have closed the borders earlier, I would imagine that we will be better prepared for/if there is another worldwide pandemic in are lifetimes, not just us, but the whole world with a coordinated response, that stop all international travel immediately

I've read in the papers multiple times in the last two decades that scientists were saying we were due another pandemic and we actually did have a plan apparently, just not one for a coronavirus one. Not really in the same league as a Zombie apocalypse

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TheoMeo · 27/05/2021 10:18

We had a plan but I suspect austerity put paid to it - and Brexit

Sirius99 · 27/05/2021 10:18

AIMummy
You can try to plan if you know exactly what your planning for, This virus, some people don’t know they have it and sadly other people it has killed and a lot in between easily transmitted, were they planning for something like that or a more deadly.
It’s human nature that if you keep planning and nothing happens you get complacent.

Sirius99 · 27/05/2021 10:22

TheoMeo
And time, with nothing happening, you wonder if something will happen,
I suppose if you say it’s going to snow tomorrow everyday, one day you will be right, should you keep thousands of snowploughs and gritters on standby, at the vast expense or just enough to get by.

longwayoff · 27/05/2021 10:25

Cummings is suffering from reject syndrome. He thought he'd found a malleable idiot who'd hang on his every word and do exactly as he was told. Unfortunately the idiot that he chose was Bozo who has done just as he pleased throughout his life and, as DC said, once BJ was elected, he ceased to listen to him. Given that DC delivered Brexit upon us its possible that we should be glad Bozo dumped him. It could have been even worse and DC might have been instrumental in it. Which liar will we choose to believe?

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2021 10:31

There was Exercise Cygnus in 2016

Blossomtoes · 27/05/2021 10:34

@ODFOx

He is such a lying snake who believes that the rules which the rest of us live by don't apply to him. He's proved himself a liar time and again and yet here we are lapping up the next instalment. I don't believe a word he says.

I believe everything he says. He’s just confirming, from the horse’s mouth, what we all thought. He’s an odious little shit but that’s not synonymous with lying. The care home deaths are absolutely shocking - nearly 40,000 people died because they were sitting ducks with covid imported into their place of safety. It’s utterly sickening.

DuncinToffee · 27/05/2021 10:40

Which liar will we choose to believe?

David Allen Green has some wise words on how to treat Cummings evidence in his blog

Avoid confirmation bias
Be aware of the selective nature of the evidence
Be aware also of motivation
The issue of honesty

davidallengreen.com/

Fishandhips · 27/05/2021 10:50

If it was all genuine he should have become a whistleblower a year ago. He's a liar, disloyal and untrustworthy.

Quite.

Also this is likely to jeopardise an impartial and independent review into the handling of covid, perhaps he is doing bojo a favour after all, the snake.

Blossomtoes · 27/05/2021 10:53

Also this is likely to jeopardise an impartial and independent review into the handling of covid, perhaps he is doing bojo a favour after all, the snake

How do you work that one out? He’s got evidence for what he’s saying. The picture of the incriminating whiteboard is already out there, there will be plenty more to come, all admissible in the inevitable public inquiry.

Notonthestairs · 27/05/2021 10:56

I do not believe there will ever be an independent impartial review of how the Government handled the pandemic.

If Patel can try and stick her beak in to the Daniel Morgan independent panel review she's not going to stay out of a review of her own cabinet.