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Cummings evidence today

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 09:57

Anyone listening?

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MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2021 22:10

I also missed the inject Covid thing

Sounds nuts

RedMarauder · 26/05/2021 22:11

@eddiemairswife

10pm, Sky News. Hancock says he was too busy 'saving lives' to listen to Dominic Cummings. What on earth does he mean?
He was doing more things like ensuring people on research projects were sent tests so it counted in the 100,000 that were sent out...
Jellykat · 26/05/2021 22:11

He is spot on about many many things he said today.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 26/05/2021 22:13

Cummings' hands are like chimps' feet . . .

AMillionMilesAway · 26/05/2021 22:14

@the80sweregreat

Bill gates predicted this pandemic in 2015. ( Ted talks ) He probably has shares in all kinds of big pharmaceutical companies. I watched most of today , but missed the bit about Gates but he has been linked to this pandemic ( including many conspiracy theories around him too) Not sure what Dominic said about him though?
I didn't catch it all. It was something about vaccine production. I don't think he was talking specifically about him, just about people who were warning the government this was potentially very bad maybe? Thanks- didn't realise Gates had predicted a pandemic. I might watch that TED later.
jasjas1973 · 26/05/2021 22:17

It is I agree, but sadly in a pandemic there will be an appalling death rate in densely populated countries. My point was Italy and Belgium have more per million and the rest of Europe including us are pretty similar

No they are not, France is 20k less, German 45k less.... and thats before we get to many Asian countries.

Stop making excuses for appalling Government! People were screaming at the Govt to lockdown in early March and again in the Autumn, where we then had that joke xmas debacle, not to mention allowing '000s in from India with no control & thats still going on.

God alone knows what are death rate would have been had the NHS done such a brilliant job getting vaccinations done.

TokyoSushi · 26/05/2021 22:19

The whole thing gave me a terrible feeling that a lot of the things we suspected and then thought 'nah, surely not,' are true...

ragged · 26/05/2021 22:19

One imagines Cummings always said a lot of daft things. He's a big ideas zealot, right? I can imagine Hancock didn't have DC on speed-dial.

NeonMist · 26/05/2021 22:21

Does anyone know where I can watch the full statement by Cummings? I've only been able to find snippets online.. thanks Smile

SophieB100 · 26/05/2021 22:25

I loathe Cummings with a passion.
But Hancock is accountable in all of this.
I'll never forget those months last year - my DD1 tending to Covid patients in ICU without proper PPE, whilst Hancock was smirking on TV saying that they had enough - no they didn't.

And Sunak "Eat out and catch the virus" juxtaposed with "Don't eat junk, because obesity kills..." Hello Rishi - why did all the fast food chains sign up then? People could eat McDonalds for lunch and KFC for dinner at half price? WTAF?

There were so many mistakes, we all know that.

And the nurse who looked after desperately ill, "inject me with Covid" Boris, has since resigned from the NHS. Because she's had enough.

Says it all.

Hancock should go.
He should have been sacked.
If it takes Cummings to start the ball rolling towards that, then good for him. Bring it on.

DirtyDancing · 26/05/2021 22:27

I agree he’s said some v v damming things and I bloody hate the Tories. Covid has been a catastrophe.

But..

His drive to the castle, pretty weak explanation
He doesn’t really mention Gove who is ex CO. How strange.
How wonderful Sunak is. How convenient.
Little dig at Carrie over the doggy...

We are all being massively played. It’s so so obvious.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 26/05/2021 22:28

Out of it the insight into SAGE not wanting lockdown early on surprised me. The rest I felt I knew already somehow

I think that had made a few of the papers previously. As had the thing about the previous pandemic plan being placed on a flu pandemic. Trying to remember when David Spiegelhalter was on more or less. As well as talking about the risk of dying from covid being similar to your risk of dying in the next year, he talked about supression & mitigation & doing nothing and how Covid would probably rip through the country in 10 weeks but would be catastrophic for healthcare and infrastructure.

I’ve got a feeling it was before lockdown, which might suggest there was a bit of a difference between what SAGE were thinking and what other experts were.

bumblingbovine49 · 26/05/2021 22:32

@Girlmama3

I think they all know they were too slow. I don't think constantly dragging it up helps, it reminds the families of those who lost lives that it could have been avoided.
So do you agree we should always just forget/ cover up when people's negligence, and incompetence in their jobs leads to deaths ?

Hillsborough and Grenville come to mind where investigations took place afterwards and we didn't argue that families might be upset if they knew the deaths of their family members might have been avoided if some people had done their jobs better.

We didn't argue that it all happened a long time ago and it should be forgotten and we should ' move on' in case it upsets people Hmm

Do we refuse to prosecute suspected murderers because the murder happend a year ago and we need to move on ?

if not for the self obsessed, narrow minded , obtuse, selfish, shortsighted inflexible individuals whose actual job it was / is to deal with national emergencies we might have had many fewer deaths . Whilst it may not be possible to.prove that, it is certainly possible to judge the government's reaction by the barometer of how prepared they were and how 'reasonable' their actions were with the evidence they had from.what was happening elsewhere and the specialist advice they were given at the time

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 22:36

@Kendodd

Johnson is not only piss poor at his job but also a devious, selfish twat of a human being. Incredible that he became PM and yet not a single person who has worked with him has a good word to say about the man professionally or personally. Makes you wonder about how this country works.

The voters love him though. He's funny and has promised he won't say anything else racist while he's PM (not that his voters mind anyway).

I disagree. Some love him yes, but loads of people voted against Labour rather than for Boris. Largely because of Corbyn (and the legacy of Blair) but also because Boris respected the Brexit vote. Whatever anyone thinks of Brexit it was voted for on a massive turnout. The refusal of Labour and many of Boris's rivals for Tory leadership to acknowledge, accept, and respect that is one of the biggest reasons why Boris won the leadership - and then the election.
QioiioiioQ · 26/05/2021 22:36

@TokyoSushi

The whole thing gave me a terrible feeling that a lot of the things we suspected and then thought 'nah, surely not,' are true...
I agree and presumably they thought they could get away with it because no one would believe that they would do anything that bad!
Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 22:46

Compliance in this country was a problem, we have had thread after thread about dictatorships and civil liberties so I do believe the window of opportunity for containment through lockdown was very narrow.

The majority of the public were compliant. We did indeed have thread after thread with a small number of posters trying to influence opinion against containment by claiming compliance would be low...but outside of MN threads, Covid denier Facebook pages, and the Telegraph, compliance was high. Strangely enough most people are aware that wealth is health and health is wealth. They don't want a horrible death, overfilled hospitals, long term illness. They care about their loved ones too.

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 22:47

What happened with the care homes is in my view criminal - gross negligent manslaughter.

twelly · 26/05/2021 22:49

I think the hearing provided a glimpse into the chaos that existed in number 10. Whilst the true picture is yet to be verified to coin a phrase "recollections may vary" there nevertheless seems in Dominic Cummings version to be information and evidence consistent with the overall chaos and confusion that has emerged from number 10.

The points that DC testimony emphasises is that to have a journalist with really very little experience of anything in charge is ludicrous - thus country has thousands of much more competent and experienced individuals

BeastfromtheNorthEast · 26/05/2021 22:54

It is fairly surreal seeing someone who was part of the Government saying what so many of us were poster here that the policy of sending people back into care homes was not only reckless but negligent.

everythingthelighttouches · 26/05/2021 22:55

I smell Gove.

BeastfromtheNorthEast · 26/05/2021 22:56

I hate the fact the Tory MPs answer to everything now is 'vaccine rollout' put your hands up to what you got wrong you fuckers

ceilingsand · 26/05/2021 22:59

I don't like or trust him, but I think most of what he said seems true, and some of it is provable. And anyway we knew that Johnson was a liar and Hancock a coward.

Guavafish · 26/05/2021 23:02

The circus has come to town

Roussette · 26/05/2021 23:03

I too am sick to death that every single tricky q is answered with vaccine rollout success

And Hancock saying he hasn't seen this today (yeah right) because he's busy saving lives .
WTAF

SophieB100 · 26/05/2021 23:04

Cummings always looks after number one.

He didn't rubbish Rishi - because one day Rishi will be PM and he wants to work for him.

He's gunning for Hancock - many of us predicted months ago that he would be the fall guy.

Boris doesn't care if Hancock goes.

Perfect.

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