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Cummings evidence today

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 09:57

Anyone listening?

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CovidCorvid · 26/05/2021 13:30

@quiteathome

I was prepared due to Mumsnet. And common sense
Same. By late Jan I had weeks and weeks of food supplies, hand sanitiser, gloves, masks, paracetamol, thermometer. I was prepping way before the panic buying before anyone accuses me of depriving others of stuff. And in March I was giving loo paper away to neighbours in need!

If I and others were cautious enough to think such precautions were needed in Jan/Feb then wtf what the govt not doing at least planning for a worse case scenario? I'm not even saying lock down until things got worse (though I do think this should have been sooner) but they could have got stuff like shielding plans in place and ready to go!

Changechangychange · 26/05/2021 13:32

@2021hwg

I think boris has to be very careful what he denies. I think Cummings could have recordings backing up his evidence
Unfortunately I don’t think his voters give a shit how much boris is caught out lying. We already have posters on here saying we should just forget there ever was a pandemic and bereaved relatives should move on from it.
SueSaid · 26/05/2021 13:32

'I think the way he's going after Hancock is a bit much and won't help his case'

Yes and while Hancock of course will answer questions in a couple of weeks this all seems like a personal score settling exercise.

Blossomtoes · 26/05/2021 13:32

@the80sweregreat

This will not bring anyone down. In fact, it'll probably make people more determined to vote Tory. I doubt anyone is quaking in their boots at all. Too many people didn't want lockdown and will back Boris Johnson to the hilt too.
It won’t bring them down by itself but it will definitely be a component. I doubt very much it will encourage anyone to vote Tory.

Nobody could detest Cummings more than I do but I’m not allowing that dislike to make me discount what he’s saying. As a pp said, he’s a meticulous record keeper, if he can present evidence for his accusations, it doesn’t matter whether he’s an odious little shit or not.

Sirius99 · 26/05/2021 13:33

fruityorange
That’s the trouble with are political system, they are always looking at getting re elected, hard to make the tough calls for fear of losing voters, decision should have been taken away from them

GoldenOmber · 26/05/2021 13:35

@Sirius99

fruityorange That’s the trouble with are political system, they are always looking at getting re elected, hard to make the tough calls for fear of losing voters, decision should have been taken away from them
Ok so you’d rather have a political system where the politicians aren’t answerable to voters? I don’t think that’s a great idea…
the80sweregreat · 26/05/2021 13:35

I think this is a massive own goal for Dominic.
If he hadn't broken all the rules himself and lied about his eyesight etc etc then maybe people might listen to him. As it is, saying ' I'm so humble , I messed up too' won't cut the mustard I'm afraid. Not with the Conservative faithful.

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 13:35

And for you you little snake (re rose garden)

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CovidCorvid · 26/05/2021 13:35

@Sirius99

CovidCorvid They weren’t elected to oversee a pandemic
Yes they were.

They were elected to lead the country through any crisis which may occur - wars, pandemics, alien invasions, whatever.

A massive global pandemic has always been on the cards and something which scientists have told governments for decades that they need to be prepared for. That the chances are as far as a pandemic is concerned it's a case of when not if.

So why was the stores of PPE so low, why was the nhs run as low as possible, why weren't there better plans which could have been swung into action?

TheBobJog · 26/05/2021 13:35

ooh are we about to hear about Barnard castle?

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 13:36

He’s rehashing rose garden now

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sashagabadon · 26/05/2021 13:37

Remember back in April / May 2020 there was massive public anti DC sentiment , he was evil personified with the many of the public because of the barnard castle stuff but also that people thought he wanted to kill all our grannies by herd immunity.
Maybe he was more upset with that narrative than we know and is now just trying to rewrite it by telling us actually He was the hero as the biggest lockdown advocate in government, it was everyone else that delayed lockdown.

MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2021 13:37

I don’t think he’s done much to harm anyone.

Sounds very personal and whilst I understand his reasoning for waiting he was no more immune to the huge pressure then

Every decision must have been met with what if it’s worse

Insight into SAGE on one leak then over very interesting and the chicken pox thing (if true)

Sirius99 · 26/05/2021 13:38

GoldenOmber
If you had a good job that you wanted for ages, would you make decisions that you know would get you sacked ?

MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2021 13:39

Also Solar flares contingency planning - puts on list ;

GoldenOmber · 26/05/2021 13:39

@Sirius99

GoldenOmber If you had a good job that you wanted for ages, would you make decisions that you know would get you sacked ?
I don’t know - am I a dictator of an authoritarian government in this scenario, or not?

Democracy isn’t perfect but the alternatives are a lot worse.

PerkingFaintly · 26/05/2021 13:40

Sirius99 If it’s not broke don’t fix it

WTF?

If that's about the current electioneering style of hiding your election candidate while demonising the opposition one, then that fucking well is broken for the country.

It's plenty broken for us unimportant plebs who merely, you know, make up the country, and who deserve more from our political parties than being kept in the dark and dripfed a diet solely of shit against the other guy/gal.

If on the other hand, you speak as a campaigner for the Tories, then yeah: this strategy ain't broken for you...

GroovyClementine · 26/05/2021 13:40

No bugger was willing to listen to anything he had to say in regards to his own personal dealings with having Covid.

It's all bollocks and he's a self serving dishonest rule breaking cunt, said pretty much everyone underneath every headline with a comment section that had Cummings in the title and, fuck, were there enough of those.
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but now there's a chance of his truth massaging talents getting the Tory government, and in particular Boris, deep in the shit...plenty of people are suddenly willing to listen to somed truth.

Truth as depicted by a man who has made a career out of manipulating anything and everything that can be manipulated for the benefit of whosoever is paying his salary that week and/or himself.

Proof people will listen to and believe anyone, no matter how dubious, who is willing to say stuff that backs up their already held viewpoint.

I might listen, whether I believe a word of it will be another matter entirely.

Sirius99 · 26/05/2021 13:42

GoldenOmber
If they weren’t answerable to voters every 5 years it would make it a lot easier to make the often tough but right calls,
Or perhaps we could have a system were Parliament was run on a party based system and politicians actually voted for what they believed not as told, politicians only serve a max 2 terms etc

SueSaid · 26/05/2021 13:42

'I think Cummings could have recordings backing up his evidence'

Is that allowed? Don't the same legal things apply like in courts that evidence is inadmissible depending how it is obtained?

He's going to ask for another group hug any minute. This I'm so sorry persona he is putting forward seems so fake.

TomatoesAreFruit · 26/05/2021 13:42

My DH has just come home, I told him I had been listening to Dominic Cummings and he said, "oh that twat". I think he does have a huge credibility problem but as others have said - he is a record keeper.

Every answer at PMQs today given by Johnson was "waffle, waffle, captain hindsight, yeah but we have got loads of people vaccinated, let's look forward".

He is very quick to take credit for the vaccine but slow to accept responsibility for past and current misteps.

LookItsMeAgain · 26/05/2021 13:42

@BeastfromtheNorthEast

He's right that Corbyn v Johnson offered the public no credible or competent choice.

Proporotional representation please.

Have you seen the political system in the Republic of Ireland. Rainbow coalitions all the time. No one party ever seems to have enough power to be in power all by themselves. Who then leads?? There has to be a hybrid of PR vs FPTP or something that can stop gombeens getting into power.

By the way have we reached his testimony about Barnard Castle yet and that infamous sight test??

SpindleWhorl · 26/05/2021 13:43

The whole Bernard Castle thing sounds even more bonkers now, but truth is stranger than fiction a lot of time ...

But Wakefield and Cummings did both lie.

snowballer · 26/05/2021 13:43

Nobody could detest Cummings more than I do but I’m not allowing that dislike to make me discount what he’s saying. As a pp said, he’s a meticulous record keeper, if he can present evidence for his accusations, it doesn’t matter whether he’s an odious little shit or not.

I agree so much with this. I really feel there's going to be an absolute vacuum of people willing to go into detail when we eventually get to the inquiry. As long as he can back up what he's saying, I don't care at all what his motives are. The government MUST be held to account for its failings.

the80sweregreat · 26/05/2021 13:43

Bill Gates talked about a possible pandemic in 2015. The Ted talks are on u tube.

It's always been on the cards. It's just that they hoped it wouldn't happen when they would have to deal with it. Or pay for it.
The whole thing reminds of Meghan Markle's interview back in March : I didn't make Kate cry, she made me cry! It's as if Dom is saying ' I didn't want herd immunity, but it was made out that I did. That's not what happened or was said'. ' his truth' ( about that , anyway)
What a mess it all was:(