Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Is there another lockdown now or not?

344 replies

Overthebow · 25/05/2021 06:20

BBC is showing new guidance for Bolton, Blackburn, Kirklees, Bedford, Burnley, Leicester, Hounslow and North Tyneside.

Is this supposed to be another lockdown? I’m confused.

OP posts:
Carycy · 25/05/2021 10:56

It’s just so upsetting. We couldn’t go away at Easter so had to wait till this half term. All the whole people not tired to school holidays have been enjoying holidays and freedoms.
Sick of families constantly being punished!

CloudPop · 25/05/2021 11:01

@Moondust001 you make some very valid points. This pandemic has sharply exposed the health inequalities endemic in the country and it will be shocking (if unsurprising) if the opportunity to address some of these issues is missed. Something's got to give otherwise we are going to be looping round this misery for a lot longer than we need to.

Devlesko · 25/05/2021 11:06

My family are on a site in Leicester, they aren't going anywhere and having deliveries.
None have been vaccinated though, so are being thoughtful to others.

Just use common sense if you are in these areas. We are close to Bolton and wouldn't go anywhere near the town, or out and about atm.

tiredofhere · 25/05/2021 11:10

No personal opinion on this matter, but it seems clear the government have received scientific advice to introduce local lockdowns, but are unwilling to implement this properly, so are paying lipservice to the concept while not actually doing it.
My opinion on the government in this respect is that they are too chicken and weak and are kidding themselves that they are listening to the science.
I feel for those in the areas affected either way, both because they are at risk and because they are facing another local lockdown eventually or in the absence of that a national lockdown for all of us eventually.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 25/05/2021 11:16

Reporter on sky news just said these are guidelines only, they are not law and if you do go outside the area etc no one is going to be prosecuted . He said the government would like people to take the advice on board but they are not enforcing it.

Apologies if this has already been said.

MummyPop00 · 25/05/2021 11:17

Meh. I’m off to Hounslow next week & will be going. Had enough of this nonsense.

Keeping a lid on variants with the vast majority of 8 billion around the globe still to be vaxxed? Good luck with that one.

Justforphoto · 25/05/2021 11:19

I'm just outside the area however bordered on 3 sides by them so we will be next. I've been looking at the figures our local hospital admissions are up, local cases are up. I am very wary currently and am starting to take a bit extra care. Hopefully it won't get as bad but it's a waiting game and too many unknowns still.

Trumanshow · 25/05/2021 11:19

What are the chances of people who live there actually staying there though and not taking their holiday? Live in a very very popular holiday destination ..it's already so much busier than normal and absolutely dreading the next few months.

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 25/05/2021 11:25

I live in one of the eight areas. The entire household has had the Indian variant over the last month (the final self-isolation period ended at midnight). We’re all completely asymptomatic now. I’m going to take the DC to see my (fully vaccinated) family next week for the first time in 10 months. Immediately after everyone had recovered from the Indian variant of covid seems like the safest time to go. I honestly don’t care what the guidance is. I’ve had enough.

ineedaholidaynow · 25/05/2021 11:31

I assume if too many don’t follow the guidance then a more stringent lockdown could be imposed

jacks11 · 25/05/2021 11:45

It is farcical that the change in guidance for these areas was not communicated to the council/MP and the wider community. How they can then expect people to follow their guidance is beyond me. Yet more incompetence. They sit on their hands too long after a problem emerges in some cases (e.g. allowing travel from India for over a week after it became obvious there was a problem, during which time home isolation was allowed rather than mandatory hotel quarantine), and don’t make what they actually want to happen clear in others (such as here or over the amber destinations in their traffic light system).

Other than the vaccine programme, which has largely been a success, there has been some truly shambolic incompetence. Foreign travel last summer was partly responsible for the rise in cases towards the end of summer and the autumn. We know that asking people to self-quarantine at home is ineffective- data suggests that at some points last summer less than 40% of those who returned home and were supposed to quarantine at home did so. Yet, they persist with the idea that people will do it this year. Also, if they really think it is unsafe people to go to these amber countries, then surely the government should take appropriate action. The same with these restrictions- if they want this done they should make it mandatory and they definitely should communicate that to the people affected.

However, despite the general incompetence of the handling of the problem, I do agree that we need to be careful even though the vaccine does provide good protection for those who have had it- the issue is it that it is not just a case of monitoring admissions and deaths (though these are very important), transmission rates are still important and of concern. It is true that younger people are more likely to have no, or mild symptoms, they can still develop long covid with all those implications. Just as importantly, we know that the more rapid the spread of the virus the more likely new mutations will occur. With each mutation, there is a risk of escape from the vaccine so high level of transmission = higher rates of mutation = higher risk of a mutation which escapes one (or more) of our vaccines.

Vaccines provide protection from infection, but also means those who do still contract the virus do not seem to harbour a high viral load (so no serious illness) but also less likely to transmit to as many people. This lowers community transmission rates, So, ideally, until we have most people vaccinated if there is highly infectious strain we want this well controlled, regardless of the hospital admission rates or deaths. There is a tipping point, where the number of people vaccinated means that transmission rates are so low that we worry less about mutation rates (still needs monitoring and vigilance, but not such a concern).

I feel very sorry for people affected by any rise in restrictions (or failure to come out of them, as has happened in Glasgow) and I do think these areas have not always been supported as best they might. But then, look at Glasgow- 50% of appointments at surge vaccination centres across the city were missed- not rearranged, just missed. Huge waste of resource. So I do think some people in our communities need to take responsibility too. We don’t have the resources to do a home visit for everyone (twice) and if we start doing it for some areas (rather than a very well defined patient sub-group- such as those patients who are housebound, who have been vaccinated by the district nurse team in our area), the problem is that a substantial minority of people who could and would go to the vaccination centre won’t because it is more convenient to have it done at home. We know this from local experience of our vaccination programme and I was surprised at how many people took this attitude.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/05/2021 11:46

The worrying thing is that there will end up being increased racial division and mistrust in some of these communities

This worries me too, though it's concerning that no matter how thoughtful the measures taken there'll be resistance from some
I've mentioned this before, but they're doing door to door follow up in my area too, and a local councillor's campaigning for it to be stopped because apparently it's "racist targeting"

If this is the view about an initiative that's genuinely trying to help, it's not hard to imagine how enforced quarantine would be received ... which is probably why enforcement isn't even attempted and why nobody ever answers "what measures would you suggest for the short term?"

JulietBravo999 · 25/05/2021 11:52

It’s just an impossible situation. Some parts of these areas (Leics, Lancs, W Yorks) have effectively been in lockdown for 14 months now - for those abiding by the rules when others around them are not it must be incredibly frustrating.

JulietBravo999 · 25/05/2021 11:54

@Puzzledandpissedoff

The worrying thing is that there will end up being increased racial division and mistrust in some of these communities

This worries me too, though it's concerning that no matter how thoughtful the measures taken there'll be resistance from some
I've mentioned this before, but they're doing door to door follow up in my area too, and a local councillor's campaigning for it to be stopped because apparently it's "racist targeting"

If this is the view about an initiative that's genuinely trying to help, it's not hard to imagine how enforced quarantine would be received ... which is probably why enforcement isn't even attempted and why nobody ever answers "what measures would you suggest for the short term?"

Exactly. It’s the elephant in the room, isn’t it?
ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 25/05/2021 11:57

Sounds like a geographically defined quasi lockdown by stealth. However as alway no enforcement and apart from targeting unvaccinated and a bit of surge testing including waste water, some people as highlighted in this thread will ignore non enforced guidelines anyway.

I am assuming unless people are very ill (dying or can’t breathe) many will carry on regardless of being asymptomatic carriers or totally Covid free. Admittedly a bit harsh but is that not the basic science and root cause that has never been systematically addressed hence the perpetual mutating super spreading in usually the usual hot spots because (as scientifically correct) due partly or mainly to particular demographics with more likely Covid exposure, incubation and onward spread. Long term eradication or even containment is a very challenging prospect as the government quietly issues guidelines so that they are seen to be open and less restrictive. Conversely if the government dictates more harsher lockdowns - will sensible people continue to obey? Is it not a problem in the first place because too many people dismissed Covid as if it never existed and thinking they can cheat or out smart the virus? Looks likely a wider regional soft lockdown request forthcoming? It’s so déjà vu as here we go again….

AyyMacarena · 25/05/2021 11:59

I live outside of one of these areas but have an office based job in one of these areas. They have forced us back to the office but should I say gov guidelines say I shouldn't and can I continue working from home or keep quiet?

ElizabethTudor · 25/05/2021 12:03

@Overthebow

On Friday? So people have had the whole weekend without realising? Hoe has this happened without being publicised?
Why do you think? Why might that possibly be? Oh yes. Because our PM and his government won’t make a difficult or contentious decision until it’s too bloody late. AS. PER. BLOODY. USUAL. 😡🤬😡🤯🤯🤯🤯
BarbaraofSeville · 25/05/2021 12:05

The work from home if you can guidance remains in place everywhere until at least 21st June.

This is for the benefit of everyone even those who cannot work from home, because it reduces pressure on public transport and lowers the overall amount of contacts, so helps reduce transmission.

AyyMacarena · 25/05/2021 12:08

@BarbaraofSeville yes the guidance is in place but a lot of workplaces are basically saying they want you in.

Jaxhog · 25/05/2021 12:11

Of course, it's horrible. But the alternatives are worse. If the virus spreads outside of these areas, we'll ALL be in Lockdown again.

sotiredofthislonelylife · 25/05/2021 12:12

@Watermelon222

Oh and stop banging on about poverty.

It’s lifestyle and lack of interest in following the rules!

Flights to India aren’t cheap and you only have to look at everyone rushing back to avoid having to hotel quarantine with flight prices massively inflated, plus testing costs!

No one should have been allowed to travel unless to visit a dying relative or small funeral.

Absolutely!! The Indian variant came from India. Unless it flew itself by private jet, then it came back with people who had been to India.

If travellers had had authentic negative tests, we wouldn’t now have the Indian variant.

If people have had the money to afford these trips, then they are hardly in poverty. And if they are sufficiently able and affluent to fly around the world, then surely they would have been able to get vaccinated, when offered, even if it was 50 miles away.
Why are posters defending the indefensible?

Thunderbolted · 25/05/2021 12:16

I'm due to visit my brother in Tynemouth for half term (we are self catering). It's our first holiday in 8 months. We're all partly vaccinated and planning mainly outdoor activities. They will need to make it law before I cancel. Their rates per 1000 are not that far off our rates - I just don't think the risk outweighs the benefit on this occasion.

Orf1abc · 25/05/2021 12:16

I assume if too many don’t follow the guidance then a more stringent lockdown could be imposed

The guidance ignores the fact that most cases are transmitted at work, at school, and in crowded homes. Adding on more layers of restriction just ignores the root cause of the problem, which is poverty and inequality. People who are already destitute cannot afford to stay home if they have a bit of a cough, and the government's isolation payment was so restrictive that few have been able to claim it.

LaLaLandIsNoFun · 25/05/2021 12:19

Likely too late already @Jaxhog

I live bordering ind if these areas. I follow local news. I’m on social media a lot. I saw nothing about this until this morning on MN. City centre was heaving on Saturday. No changes to any travel services or entertainment venues. I travelled into the city and back out to the other side of the county snd back again over the weekend - everything carrying on as usual. My partner is a civil servant within a govt org that usually knows things before the general public do. He knew nothing about these bee guidelines until this morning.

The horse will have already bolted.

Had I known I would not have travelled. I’m sure that’s the same for a great many people. Friends of mine just spent the weekend in a completely different part of the UK - I’m sure they weren’t aware either.

FreekStar · 25/05/2021 12:21

But why should we all be lockdown again? There will never be an eradication of this virus, just as there isn't for ordinary flu. The vaccines are effective against it and those that are vulnerable have all had their vaccines so any that haven't are either young and fit or it's their choice to take the risk of not having it. The NHS is nowhere near to being overwhelmed by the numbers of cases, so what is the point?