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Is there another lockdown now or not?

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Overthebow · 25/05/2021 06:20

BBC is showing new guidance for Bolton, Blackburn, Kirklees, Bedford, Burnley, Leicester, Hounslow and North Tyneside.

Is this supposed to be another lockdown? I’m confused.

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legosnowqueen · 25/05/2021 20:07

Our town's GP-led vaccines are not at local surgeries anymore but in a large out of town centre that isn't accessible without a car.

FreekStar · 25/05/2021 20:12

But my point is, we aren't seeing high hospitalisations. The virus is only prevalent among the young and unvaccinated and the NHS is nowhere near to capacity with this. Hardly anyone is dying from the new variants, most of the vulnerable are vaccinated and when this variant is in control there will just be another one. We can't expect people to continue with the uncertainty and last minute restrictions forever.

picturesandpickles · 25/05/2021 20:24

@FreekStar

But my point is, we aren't seeing high hospitalisations. The virus is only prevalent among the young and unvaccinated and the NHS is nowhere near to capacity with this. Hardly anyone is dying from the new variants, most of the vulnerable are vaccinated and when this variant is in control there will just be another one. We can't expect people to continue with the uncertainty and last minute restrictions forever.
If you look at a graph like this, on which date would you choose to react? If you wait until you are seeing high hospitalisations, it is too late. twitter.com/Dr_D_Robertson/status/1396568757892489217/photo/1

People are concerned we are making the same mistakes as in wave one and two. Vaccination changes the context but there is scientific knowledge which means we know that we could have a very bad wave even with current vaccine levels. Some people think prevention is better than cure, some people think wait and see.

You can;t make your decisions based on today, you have to look forwards.

Watermelon222 · 25/05/2021 20:26

I’m absolutely not in favour of more lockdowns.

I thought the way the government planned reopening was sensible and controlled, assessing the impact of each stage.

I thought we should have capitalised on the low numbers by getting as many vaccinated as possible to ensure the opening up continued in the summer.

I also thought that it was stupid and counterproductive to allow people to travel abroad illegally and not do anything to stop it. It was even worse to allow people back in without hotel quarantine when numbers were sky high where they’d come from. You don’t need to be a virologist to work out what would happen next.......

And it has.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/05/2021 20:33

@everythingthelighttouches

I agree - surely nobody expects to be told by any government how to keep themselves, their families and the wider community as safe as possible

Sorry, but before the 17th of May, were you going into friends’ houses and hugging them??

And now???

Why??? Why can’t you use your own common sense??

We have spent the last year and a bit following government guidance and rules. What they say matters.

Don’t gaslight people and tell them to use their own common sense. No one knew about this new guidance, so how was anyone supposed to follow it? No one knew whether it was compulsory or not.

Why is someone from Leicester, who has hardly left their house for the last year, going to visit family on the other side of the country, any more irresponsible than someone from Cambridge (example) going on holiday abroad??

This. Totally.
lightand · 25/05/2021 20:36

As I have written elsewhere today, I think the situation is really about vaccines.
The government "let" things happen, "let" variants in, then lockdowns happen, followed by the vaccinations.

StealthPolarBear · 25/05/2021 20:39

@FreekStar

I can't believe there are so many on here that are in favour of more lockdowns- what will it achieve ultimately?
Well no one will get sick or die ever again. Obviously.
sotiredofthislonelylife · 25/05/2021 20:42

@Watermelon222

I’m absolutely not in favour of more lockdowns.

I thought the way the government planned reopening was sensible and controlled, assessing the impact of each stage.

I thought we should have capitalised on the low numbers by getting as many vaccinated as possible to ensure the opening up continued in the summer.

I also thought that it was stupid and counterproductive to allow people to travel abroad illegally and not do anything to stop it. It was even worse to allow people back in without hotel quarantine when numbers were sky high where they’d come from. You don’t need to be a virologist to work out what would happen next.......

And it has.

Exactly this!
Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 25/05/2021 20:51

Freekstar where I live vaccinations through the GP are taking place in a small town 6 miles away. There is no public transport. Community groups are offering lifts to people with no car. The nearest taxi firm is 13 miles in the opposite direction and you have to pay for them to come here.
Friends in another small town have to travel over 10 miles to their vaccination centre, although there is a bus to that one.
These are ones I know of in this county. I assume people in rural counties without cars face the same difficulties. Add poverty to the mix and it is no wonder some people are missing their vaccination.

purpleme12 · 25/05/2021 21:39

I could have got my first vaccination as there was space at the one I could walk to however it wouldn't let me because it would only let you book two together and there wasn't any availability for a 2nd dose at the ones I could walk to
So I couldn't even get a first one even though there was availability for that
Keep checking and now there's no availability for first dose either
I don't drive

Morph2lcfc · 26/05/2021 07:39

The thing is they say the take up of the vaccines is lower in these areas. Leicester is where I live but the roll out is also slower than many other parts of the country. My partner is 59 and hasn’t had his 2nd jab yet but Ive got friends living down south in their 40s who have had their 2nd. If the take up had been higher as things stand they’d be even further behind on the roll out so it’s swings and roundabouts.

Backofbeyond50 · 26/05/2021 08:52

I live close to one of the areas and I have hears that the transmission has been pretty much home grown and that the biggest issue is transmission within households. If one gets it the whole family is very much more likely to get it. Hence the issues in places with more multi generational households.
The public is those places should not be blamed for this.

freckles20 · 26/05/2021 09:42

@Backofbeyond50 I agree that this could be an issue. What we really need though is proper, detailed research into this and other hypothesis.

It's also worth bearing in mind that multigenerational living is not necessary linked to poverty. Here in Leicester it is the norm amongst some cultures, and includes those who are extremely wealthy and live in mansions with several generations alltogether as well as those in tiny houses who have little money, no cars etc..

Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 26/05/2021 09:51

In Bedford they are targeting certain areas, and I think it is linked to multigenerational living. Agreed not all people in multigenerational homes are poor, but if you live in a large house you have more chance of being able to isolate if necessary, so poverty (and certain types of workplaces) have a part to play.

Watermelon222 · 26/05/2021 10:01

@Backofbeyond50

I live close to one of the areas and I have hears that the transmission has been pretty much home grown and that the biggest issue is transmission within households. If one gets it the whole family is very much more likely to get it. Hence the issues in places with more multi generational households. The public is those places should not be blamed for this.
If this is true (which I suspect it is) then it makes a mockery of allowing people to isolate at home when travelling back from countries with high numbers- but allowing people who they live with to still attend work and school etc.

It was so obvious that this would happen with this in place!

Thesearmsofmine · 26/05/2021 10:57

@Backofbeyond50

I live close to one of the areas and I have hears that the transmission has been pretty much home grown and that the biggest issue is transmission within households. If one gets it the whole family is very much more likely to get it. Hence the issues in places with more multi generational households. The public is those places should not be blamed for this.
I also believe this, I live in a hotspot and many families live together in the same house or next door. So one person gets it and it is easily passed on to others who then go to work or school or the supermarket. Apparently they will be door knocking in my area today, testing people and encouraging vaccination. It will be interesting to see if I get a knock at the door.
Beverley71 · 26/05/2021 18:16

@FreekStar

I shall be ignoring the 'new' guidance. I live in West Yorkshire and we have not been out of Lockdown since it all began last March. We had 3 weeks last summer where we were allowed to have guests in the garden before that was ended, so they can sod off if they think I'm not having my parents wholive in Kirklees round to our house in the neighbouring authority, and they can sod off if they think we are going to cancel our holiday which we have booked for half term! We have all had the full vaccine- where will this ever end- we need to live with it!
I live in Huddersfield and echo your words exactly. I have even deleted the NHS app from my phone and won’t be reinstating it. And I’m normally an avid rule follower
whoopsabloominbuttercup · 26/05/2021 18:52

Dumplings and Stew.

The trouble is where do you draw the boundary for a lockdown. Farnworth for example is right next to Bolton. Should they be in lockdown ? but then Walkden is right next to Farnworth, should they be in lockdown? Either the rules apply to the whole country or not at all.

itoldyouiwasill100 · 26/05/2021 19:11

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picturesandpickles · 26/05/2021 19:14

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Professor Lockdown already briefing about more restrictions. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9621859/Covid-19-UK-breaches-3-000-cases-time-MONTH-infections-spike-18-week.html This is what he said: "'I think we're continuing to evaluate data. I think it's actually too early to say whether we will be able to go ahead with what was planned in the UK in mid June .." We? Is he running the country now? I don't recall voting for this guy. Perhaps I missed something.
"'I think we're meaning those reviewingthe data continuing to evaluate data. I think it's actually too early to say whether we meaning England will be able to go ahead with what was planned in the UK in mid June .."

He is fully aware he is not in charge. If he was, we would have had 21,000 fewer deaths because we would have locked down at least a week earlier in wave one...

itoldyouiwasill100 · 26/05/2021 19:20

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picturesandpickles · 26/05/2021 19:21

@itoldyouiwasill100

If he was, we would have had 21,000 fewer deaths because we would have locked down at least a week earlier in wave one... Pure conjecture. And given that his projections for what would happen for Sweden were they to not lockdown were catastrophically wrong, I think we can take this with a large bucket of salt.
If you wish.

It is fucking obvious that if we had locked down earlier, fewer people would have died.

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 19:23

The suggested (now backtracked on) local lockdown list was a farce.

Included on the list was the London borough of Hounslow. A significant proportion of residents work at Heathrow airport...

itoldyouiwasill100 · 26/05/2021 19:27

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picturesandpickles · 26/05/2021 19:31

@itoldyouiwasill100

No it’s not picturesandpickles. In fact lots of research suggests lockdown have negligible impacts 🤔
Well, no, that is just bollocks. The evidence from the UK was each time we locked down, it had major impact.

I cba to get into it because that is just nonsense.