Third wave - do you think we’ll lockdown again? When will this end?!

[Notsure6]

Just that really. Keep seeing that we’re on the cusp of a third wave. What do you all think this will this mean for locking down or our current (limited) freedom?

Look at this. Dated the DAY BEFORE they "cancelled" Christmas.

www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety/covid-infections-caught-in-hospital-rise-by-a-third-in-one-week/7029211.article

It makes what Chris Hopson was saying in the run up to Christmas really beyond the pale How DARE he and others guilt trip the public in the run up to/over the subject of Christmas and beyond HOW FUCKING DARE THEY

@StressMagnet

I personally think it's a nervous times as we wait to see if vaccines are our way out. We are yet again in unknown waters arent we? Surely people must see that we are primed for another way coming out of lockdown again. In the previous two lockdowns, number go up on lifting restrictions. We never had vaccines then so let's hope the work in this real life test.

If things shut down again there is zero choice on whether your kids go to school, you can go the pub or holiday etc. Zero. As said by a pp who will you kidnap?

As far as mixing against the rules, some of my family and friends are horrified I am mixed within the rules.

I dont see endless personal choice either way. I cant force anyone to mix with me today. I cant go on holiday abroad. I cant return to normal. Same with a possible third wave / lockdown.

why can't you go on holiday? thought they were now operating?

There won't be another lockdown. Perhaps some continued travel restrictions, local restrictions, and 21st June plans delayed, but nothing else.

@girlcrush I cant go wherever I want though can I? I cant see my mate in the IOM, I cant see my family in Asia. I'm allowed to go where I'm told I can go. I cant go where ever I want to. Not from England anyway

@GirlCrush don't you watch or read the news?

Yep!

I don't think there will be. Vaccinations are keeping hospital admissions and destgs down.

Major march in London on 29 May. The BBC - fresh from revelations its disgusting cover up contributed to Lady Di’s death - won’t be covering it, of course.
If people want this fucking nonsense to end, as well as putting digital passports back in the bin where they belong, they need to take to the streets.

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast

I'd like to think we won't.

Best wait and see what's happening with the numbers in a couple of weeks with admissions and deaths as you don't test positive, get admitted and die in a space of 2 days.
I did work for the NHS but have recently left. They're definitely seeing more in my old trust but not to previous levels.

And to those who wouldn't comply if it happened again.
What would you do?

Take a teacher hostage?
Break into a pub?
Kidnap a hairdresser?

Peaceful protests weekly, increasing in scale and geography. It is the only way.

Nothing is certain, nothing is better,until everything is better, everywhere.
I think that some experts, are hugely worried about the Indian variant now,which is spreading here,and into other countries as well.. It's all a waiting game,,to see what happens next,

The reason for lockdown was to save the nhs and protect the elderly abd most vulnerable.

Well now they've been vaccinated as have a lot of others.

I think there will be outbreaks as restrictions ease and unvaccinated mix. However the young tend not to need hospital treatment.

There may be local restrictions but I can't see another lock down.

@Wellbythebloodyhellthat’s exactly the sort of scenario I am thinking of. They will eke it out as far as they can, no matter how much credibility is stretched

Anyone who ascribes nefarious motives to a natural phenomena really makes me concenred for their mental health.

90% of areas in the UK (7,000 areas) had no deaths on April and May. Mine included. My area has had no deaths since September, and 6 overall.

The case numbers are flat.
Deaths and admissions overall are down.

Of the combined 58,000 people who took part in one of the test events (rave, concert, Brits, snooker, football) with no masks or distancing, 15 tested positive

I'd say at this rate the government are on shaky ground.

The press are already pointing the finger to those responsible other than Boris being a twat again. It's a small community.

At Bournemouth university last weekend, students were told come down and have a vaccine. They ran out. Students happily queued for 9 hours! 9 hours in the rain shows the government that it's not the under 25s who are going to put a brake on the vaccine roll out as was feared. They need to start getting these first and then second doses out to under 30s asap before it takes hold and students go home and spread it again as with Christmas.

One issue has been very obvious- making people wait 12 weeks for the second dose. The likes of Whitty and Valance were so smug about the 12 week wait being fine.
If they had of kept it to 3-5 weeks, we'd have a huge amount of fully vaccinated people by now. They mismanaged it. So not enough people will be fully vaccinated by June 21st.
Also, those just having their first now, due to surge vaccinations in areas where the variant is taking hold, won't be seeing the benefit of that first jab until 2 weeks time. So they are still at risk.

Should we lock down again due to a small minority who say no to vaccines? No we shouldn't.
But I think June 21st is screwed and I for one am so angry that I bothered doing as I should throughout, had my vaccines and thought we would be fine as that was what was promised throughout the vaccine race last year

We should not ruin our economy and our mental health more because morons who don't care who they pass it on to and won't have the vaccine to prove a point.

I didn't have my vaccine for me, I have had covid-19 and was OK. I had it to protect others around me. If people refuse it it shows a real attitude of fuck you.

I hope dying for their principles or having relatives die is worth it

@Tiktokersmiracle the numbers have been so low for such a long time. Even without the vaccine in the younger age group so why vaccinate the young?

if they had kept it at 3-5 weeks we'd have huge amount of people fully vaccinated by now

We'd also have a huge amount of people without any vaccination at all.

They should just unlock it all now and bring June forwards.
This thing is following seasonal flu pattern just like last year.
SAGE scientists publicly predicting a significant third wave should be sacked with immediate effect once it does not materialise, as all know it won't.

No I don’t think we will

TikTok I agree with some of what you say, not the timing thing but the minority not having it. Hopefully won’t hold us back

It is close.

Right now the estimates are that we won’t have to.

It depends on the infectiousness of the Indian strain, vaccination rate and people’s behaviour. Current estimates are the new strain is about 30% more infectious than the Kent strain, no more virulent and vaccines work.

If all the above hold, we should avoid another lockdown.

@savethegrannies,

And will you ‘sack’ yourself from these threads and your conspiracy theories if a third wave does happen?

Or is accountability just for other people?

@DenisetheMenace

In the UK, no, we won’t. AZ is 97% effective against the India variant, no results in yet with vaccine trials but they won’t be far off.

Uk residents are amongst the most privileged, highly protected people in the world. Possibly also the most complacent. Our 27 year old (no conditions ) received theirs this week. Enough of the handwringing.

Where have you got that 97% effective against India variant figure from?

For all those saying my areas alright.
It may not be in a few weeks time as india varient spread and becomes the dominant varient in the UK.
My council was only told 2 days ago as track and trace not told them some counties In the south west so have cases
As does London, Glasgow and large parts of North so quite spread out plus I think 28 cases in Wales.
I don't see how the 21st can go ahead.
Many 17th should have been delayed.

Surge vaccination will take weeks to take effect.

Isn’t the point in another lockdown (if that happens), not to keep hospital admissions down this time as the vaccine is doing that - but to stop new variants forming? Potentially vaccine-resistant variants?

That’s why they need to vaccinate young people ASAP.

@3asAbird

For all those saying my areas alright. It may not be in a few weeks time as india varient spread and becomes the dominant varient in the UK. My council was only told 2 days ago as track and trace not told them some counties In the south west so have cases As does London, Glasgow and large parts of North so quite spread out plus I think 28 cases in Wales. I don't see how the 21st can go ahead. Many 17th should have been delayed.

Surge vaccination will take weeks to take effect.

We also have cases here in the West Midlands. A local school has sent kids home due to finding two cases of the Indian variant in one year group. My own child's secondary school is sending students home most days this week. www.expressandstar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2021/05/19/testing-of-pupils-and-staff-under-way-after-covid-19-indian-variant-cases-identified-at-sandwell-school/

Cases will go round and round in schools while students remain unvaccinated. Self isolations will disrupt learning too, especially as some at my child's school have pretended their LFTs are positive too as a way of getting off school, despite throwing others into isolation.