Is anyone else starting to think this will never end?

[GoddessKali]

Without name calling or turning this into a slanging match, please can we discuss our ‘fuck shit dread worst outcome’ thoughts please?

I have this awful impending sense of doom. I can’t shake it off.
As I’m writing this, I realise it doesn’t matter what each of our beliefs are around the current situation as none of us really know what’s going on.

However I do know my gut instinct is screaming at me something awful is coming.
Does anyone else have this or am I going mad?!

Oh and sorry to clarify, when I mean this will never end, I mean until a large catastrophe..... it feels like to me we’re building towards something, a giant storm of our whole way of life I guess??

Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

Feeling more cheery this morning - and I’ve arranged cocktails with a friend next Saturday so putting simple things and pleasures into my diary to make sure I don’t forget to enjoy living whilst I can!! 🙌❤️

Yesterday was a bit depressing

But I’m going to try to get it together again and stay calm

It’s hard though all this hammering mentally

@Heyhohi

You shouldn’t call people with opposite opinion conspiracy theorists.

Stay on Google/Amazon and have a look for a Claus Swab, it’s right there

Hush, people don’t want to hear that! They want to think it’s all “conspiracy nutters.”

There’s so much out there, all in plain sight. I think it’s too terrifying for many to think about, so it’s all filed away in the “these people are lunatics” part of their brains. Understandable really.

@BonnieDundee

It's really rare to get covid twice. Doctors say this. I know everyone and their dog have had it twice or more on MN but how unlucky would you have to be to get it twice, then several more times?

It’s really not rare, seeing as most healthcare professionals got it in the first few months, immunity only lasts 6mknths max and lack of PPE means people got it again. Even 3 times. Long covid is heart breaking. So many people not helped and your disbelief that you are immune and can’t get it again leads to behaviours that mean it doesn’t go away. Maybe you are trumps bestie. Saying he was immune. Fuck no. He can still pass it on. And his “I’ll kiss everyone” speech just means you kiss one person with covid and then pass it to the next you kiss. Or boris saying he shook hands with everyone in the covid ward (which was airborne) and then spread it around parliament

Stating it’s rare as it hasn’t happened to you helps no one. Look o raise your little box at all those lost jobs due to long covid. I’ve never been bombed in a war zone but that doesn’t mean I can’t look beyond myself and belief the horror those people live through is very real and unimaginable.

But you’re ok.

It will end. It will become like we manage flu. But it will just take a few years for it to reach endemic equilibrium and to get the annual vaccines right. We just need to be sensible meanwhile.

I'm feeling more positive than I was, but it hit me yesterday we're going to be on a roller coaster in terms of the unknown for a year or two. I'm very lucky to live in an area that's had low case rates throughout and many live well within the guidelines and social distance even outside, but there's still uncertainty and concern for those that do the same and numbers spiral - not nice for them, and the unknown in terms of spread.

I don't think a large health catastrophe is coming, however with the worst Prime Minister in history and an economically illiterate Chancellor of the Exchequer, do worry for jobs and the economic recovery from the pandemic.

@LemonandGingerTeafor2

This is a total doom thread Have positivity Is anyone one glad that Monday is happening Cases may rise but as long as people are not hospitalised or dying FROM Covid We need to live

But this is the point have you seen the SAGE predictions of potentially higher hospitalisation and deaths than in January. This is why we can’t afford to just open up regardless and ignore it. We need to pause and get more people vaccinated while we assess the Indian variant, anything else is potentially false freedom resulting in more lockdowns and damage.

Other person I know exactly what you mean I feel like I’m watching a train crash in slow motion only this time we know the outcome and what we need to do but those in power daren’t face the backlash of pausing and would rather let it get really bad before having no option to take action. It’s soul destroying. I just want the best chance of normality and to bring my children up able to do all the usual carefree childhood things.

The real impending catastrophe IMO is climate change however, and it’s depressing to see governments worldwide take such ineffective action in the name of not wanting to consider how we could globally live differently in order to protect our most precious asset - the planet we live on.

Agreed. My brother works in this area and he regularly comments that Brexit and Covid are nothing compared to what's coming. And he is a smart, sensible, reasonable guy, no eco warrior.

I agree - before all of this happened over the past year I wasn’t anti government or establishment..... again, I always knew there was some level of corruption as there is with anything.
My background is PR so I get how people like the media and Max Clifford etc worked..... but the level of lies and acre mongering being spread by organisations such as the BBC is really shocking me.

They do these fear porn headlines, I don’t get why we aren’t focusing more on all of us becoming healthier and stronger.
We should be doing massive drives for stuff such as outdoor fitness, healthy mind, health body, natural immune boosters...... I just can’t get my head around why there isn’t this big health drive and instead we’re bombarded 247 with horrendous news articles and videos made to make us all feel even worse and more scared :(

@colouringindoors

The real impending catastrophe IMO is climate change however, and it’s depressing to see governments worldwide take such ineffective action in the name of not wanting to consider how we could globally live differently in order to protect our most precious asset - the planet we live on.

Agreed. My brother works in this area and he regularly comments that Brexit and Covid are nothing compared to what's coming. And he is a smart, sensible, reasonable guy, no eco warrior.

I agree with this. And to be honest this is mostly how I often rationalise my own deep sense of unease - that is must be about that.

I think the problem is that people don't truly understand how viruses work.

We will NEVER be rid of it. There will ALWAYS be new variants, just like there are with colds and flu each year.

The difference is that we now have a vaccine, so a) it should never rip through the country again like it has done and b) people should not be severely ill/die from it.

All the measures only had to remain in place for as long as it took to get the country vaccinated.

We will be back to 'normal' this summer, with vulnerable groups (and those who want to pay) getting an annual vaccine along with the flu jab.

Covid will not - and was never going to - go away. It's here to stay, but with the vaccine and improving treatments it's something we can live with, and no longer need to fear.

SAGE predictions and the 'professionals' they use to make them have regularly been wrong (and not just slightly wrong - massively wrong).
So I am taking what they say with a huge pinch of salt.
I also wonder whether the 'science' of epidemiology will ever recover after all of this is done. Struggling to think of any forecasts they have actually got right...

@savethegrannies it’s this complete incompetence and the obvious corruption that’s already been exposed such as mates getting million pounds contracts etc that just gives me no faith that the people I charge actually really care about us and are doing their best for the sake of everyone involved.
I feel like certain hidden agendas seem to be going on..... such as individuals profiting from this rather than a total transparency and what should be a robust disaster management situation.

But I’m going to focus on everything I am grateful for and try to think positive :)

Greystep out of the millions of people worldwide who have had covid how many documented cases are there of people having had it more than twice?

It's not just that I'm okay as you put it, there's plenty of info saying reinfection is unlikely. Also I'm a little bit amused that you think I'm like Trump. I've never claimed infection made you immune, I think it significantly lowers your chances of being reinfected. But that is just my own feeling

FYI I don't go around kissing randomers either, I didn't even before covid

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-get-twice-covid-a9400691.html

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00675-9/fulltext this is a bit of a longer read

@FluWorldOrder

It's not meant to end. Technocratic communism coming in hot under the guise of 'safety'. And anyone that says this is a 'conspiracy theory', not possible blah blah blah needs to get off MN and Google, duckduckgo.com is less censored/not funded by Bill Gates last I was aware, and look at the United Nations Agenda 21. Oh and the UN in general. Rather disturbingly the 'spiritual advisors' to the UN are a Luciferian organisation, yes really.

You definitely need all of these along with plus a chill pill

@Heyhohi
Exactly.

All the people that think what I've said is a conspiracy theory aren't nearly as smart as they think they are. Get back to me in a few years on that. Sadly, I think many that have fallen for the propaganda will probably be dead from the "much needed vaccine" so won't be getting back to me at all. After all, when they actually did test the mRNA vaccines on animals all the animals died so.. that's reassuring isn't it, NOT!

Oh yes @bumblingbovine49 standard response from someone not smart enough to realise this is about far more than a virus. People should have realised this months ago. Boring. Snooze on! Good luck with that.

Oop, someone's off their meds

Yeah I had this feeling pretty hard yesterday. All the depressing "50% more transmissible" models for the Indian variant suggesting we'd be doomed regardless of the vaccines that have given us so much hope, combined with the ZOE daily case estimate shooting up, got me deep in that feeling of "this is never going to end".

My comment yesterday on Reddit's UK coronavirus sub that if it doesn't then I hope we are offered some kind of suicide booths (I am not actively suicidal, but do feel that I would be if this socially distant half-a-life went on indefinitely and so meant what I said) was seen as flippant and trivialising suicide and got me banned from Reddit. (Specifically the UK coronavirus sub, but I'd been banned on another account by their rather trigger happy mods when I said something unfortunate in a depressed mood, so their system picked up on this and banned me from the whole site for evasion). Not a pleasant day.

Today we seem to be having some slightly better news, some rumblings that the Indian variant may not be quite that insanely more transmissible, ZOE went down a bit, and I've generally calmed down. But, indeed, even once all this is over, climate change is likely to make it look like a walk in the park. I think I and many of us are going to need some support/treatment for anxiety ultimately, so that we can face the endless threats without turning into a wreck. But in SOME ways (not all ways; don't eat my head) I think it'll be easier, because at least we'll have each other. Friendship is a powerful thing, everything is easier when facing things together, having someone to hug, someone to sit with, someone to walk beside through the good and bad. Everyone having to distance themselves from all their friends and loved ones has been a particularly cruel part of this pandemic.

I don't know what I'm getting at with all this rambling, it's more a brain processing moment. Basically yeah I had this pretty bad yesterday. With a clearer mind now I'm back to "cautious optimism" but also with an awareness that other problems lurk around the corner once we're done with covid.

(I should clarify that actually my Reddit comment only got deleted but a ban followed as they didn't take kindly to my 7 letter modmail response in the heat of the moment!)

To add to the thing about distancing from your friends, not being able to socialise is hard enough (I like the comment I read somewhere that comparing a Zoom call to in-person socialisation is like comparing a wank to a good shag... at best, IMO). But it's more the isolation. Facing both your own problems and the world's problems while feeling like you're alone. We're actually all in it together, and it's much easier to face difficult times when you can actually feel like you're not alone.

It's really rare to get covid twice. Doctors say this. I know everyone and their dog have had it twice or more on MN but how unlucky would you have to be to get it twice, then several more times?

5 of my colleagues have indeed caught it twice.

immunity only lasts 6mknths max

Absolute nonsense.

lasting immunity after recovery

immunity comparable to vaccine

antibodies detected a year after infection

Yeah there is a LOT more to immunity than antibodies even when they do fade. This is another of those things the media has a lot to answer for.

Yeah there is a LOT more to immunity than antibodies even when they do fade. This is another of those things the media has a lot to answer for

Exactly. It seems like most people actually think we have anti bodies for every virus we've ever had just floating around in our blood at all times, and if they aren't detectable then we arent protected. Eh, no. That's not how it works. Our bodies remember how to make them when needed. But humans having a functional immune system seems to be classed as a conspiracy theory these days

@RedcurrantPuff

Time to rip off the plaster and take what comes. All these restrictions are doing is prolonging things.

😂 That’s a good way of putting it