So angry at the Government this evening

[Moonme]

I’m SO mad. I haven’t been on this board for months and I was feeling really optimistic about life feeling like it was returning to normal.
It is criminal that they have let this variant in. It’s literally ground hog day. Playing politics with public health to do trade deals (because of bloody Brexit) with India.
I know there is hope that the vaccines will do there jobs but we shouldn’t be in this position. This wasn’t inevitable. Arggh so cross

My mistake. A refugee. My point about pulling the ladder up still stands. Small minded way of thinking that can't survive in a global world where half of Silicon Valley, for instance, is run by foreign born people. I guess they should have stayed in their remote villages. My own extended family lives in 4 countries.

Yes frequent but you can't deny that travel is all but impossible now, and may get harder still as airlines go bankrupt. It is no longer about pulling up ladders, as understanding the realities of our lives. Hopping on planes, nipping to Paris for a long weekend, is going to be a thing of the past. As a result families will need to reconsider where they live, in full knowledge that the world has changed, permanently.

What was once possibly now no longer is.

And yet most people still love Johnson despite his ever growing list of lies and incompetence.

He'll just lie his way out of this, like he has with everything else. If Johnson's learnt nothing else in recent years, he's learnt that lying to the public, works like a dream.

Yeah well, I have never in my life nipped to Paris for a long weekend. What I do see is that people want the benefits of foreign trade- Boris is currently trying to persuade Adar Poonawalla to set up a factory in the UK to make vaccines-without foreign people. At this very moment, British universities are currently heavily dependant on foreign students; they would go bust without them. I could go on...

No man is an island. Especially not fragile Brexit Britain. The thinly veiled anti-immigrant sentiment on this thread can do one.

I don't love Johnson and never have however, like everyone else there are some good and bad points.
One does wonder however who is in charge of looking for new varient? AND putting those countries on red lists? Why wasn't India picked up on?

I feel exactly the same op since yesterday I just feel dread at last year repeating itself on an even worse scale, all because he couldn't close the god damn borders, especially to a country where Covid is prevalent on a massive scale.
I fell for the lies yet again as I'm human and wanted some normality again. I was so excited just to meet indoors with friends for lunch next week and now I'm left feeling really glum this might not go ahead if he changes May17th plans on Monday. So many businesses and peoples lives snatched away yet again because a man with a stupid haircut can't get his act together. He's learnt no lessons since last time has he. We need to be more like New Zealand, close borders no one in or out unless theres a very very good reason or for food and exports/imports. Why can't he do this until all adults are vaccinated, i feel he just wants more poeple to die and suffer so the Tories save money.

I've got family in oz, Africa, UK, France, Italy, Spain and the US.

Everyone is staying put, there has been a sudden and tragic death abroad and everyone stayed put.
(aside from absolute essential family member).

I do get everyone’s point and I would not put anyone at risk and do understand the quarantine rules and why they have to be in place. I also understand that many many people in the UK haven’t seen relatives and family members have died. A number of friends and acquaintances of mine have passed away. It is heartbreaking. My sister and her family haven’t seen my parents for almost a year as they live in different parts of the UK too.

It’s not quite so easy as “not moving abroad”, “relocating” etc...my husband is from the country that we live in and his job is here. My kids were all born here and I have lived here for 15 years..we don’t constantly fly around. We usually fly back once a year and my parents fly here once a year. Not everyone can live in the same county/country as their families..

It’s just that it seems as though we’ll be on the red list for a long long time and I don’t know when we’ll next see my family - years maybe....at this moment in time, I really wish I did live in the Uk but I don’t and there’s very little I can currently do about it. I just hope things end soon for all of us...

Small minded way of thinking that can't survive in a global world where half of Silicon Valley, for instance, is run by foreign born people

Silicon Valley won't exist if we keep on plundering the planet to the extent we are. I don't think people realise. Our way of life has to radically change if our children and grandchildren are to have any sort of future.

Sadly can't see it happening given most people don't even want to consider even small changes like not constantly holidaying abroad.

But @Montsti obviously you should have married a British man. How very remiss of you.

The anti immigrant rhetoric is coming from people like Frequentflier, patronisingly calling the daughter of a refugee small minded because I have dared to point out that global travel on the scale it existed pre covid will be a large contributing factor to what sort of world our children and grandchildren grow up in. Hint: it won't be good.

It just underlines the fact that we are moving away from the global model, much faster than any of us could have possibly anticipated.

Covid is here to stay, if it gets worse things will become even harder than they are now. For now it is hard to see any travel resuming at any time, as this would have been the ideal time to open up you would have thought. End of summer and autumn we will see a resurgence because of the seasonal element. I can't see how it will change if new variants keep appearing. How will we know which ones are vaccine resistant, affecting young people and which ones are fine.....this IS the new normal.

Most immigrants fly back once a year to see their families. Please direct your ire at the influencers who dash off to Dubai or Europe every month. You were calling for people to stay in the villages they were born. If that is not an anti-immigrant sentiment, I don't know what is.

I think I can speak for large numbers when I say many of us simply want the borders closed, and some normality to resume. I don't care about travel, holidays etc. I just want to walk around without a mask, have a holiday here and relax, and feel safe. I am tired of feeling under siege.
Every week it is something else.

I am tired, I want to feel secure. We need to close the borders. I am speaking to my MP on Monday.

@Frequentflier

Yeah well, I have never in my life nipped to Paris for a long weekend. What I do see is that people want the benefits of foreign trade- Boris is currently trying to persuade Adar Poonawalla to set up a factory in the UK to make vaccines-without foreign people. At this very moment, British universities are currently heavily dependant on foreign students; they would go bust without them. I could go on...

No man is an island. Especially not fragile Brexit Britain. The thinly veiled anti-immigrant sentiment on this thread can do one.

I don't know how the UK would have coped without our immigrant Doctors, nurses and many other professionals working for the NHS. Auxiliary staff, janitors, cleaners and the like are usually from overseas. Crop pickers from 'out foreign ' 😉 helped last year so that the crops were picked in a timely way. Those 'home grown' pickers weren't able to tackle the back breaking work. Close the borders by all means but expect to cripple the very institutions that are working to protect everyone.

Please direct your ire at the influencers who dash off to Dubai or Europe every month. You were calling for people to stay in the villages they were born. If that is not an anti-immigrant sentiment, I don't know what is.

What makes you think my ire is NOT directed at them?

I'm largely talking about expats actually- I.e. People raised in countries such as the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, certain parts of Asia - who have a decent life and opportunities where they are but like to hop around because they want to travel.

If anything I would let refugees in and keep the above out! We will have many more refugees in need of refuge very soon due to climate change.

Flying to see your family in normal times - so what. Flying to see your family when we are in the midst of a pandemic - roaring particularly badly in the country you are visiting - bloody outrageous.

@IrmaFayLear

Flying to see your family in normal times - so what. Flying to see your family when we are in the midst of a pandemic - roaring particularly badly in the country you are visiting - bloody outrageous.

What if they are dying and I am doing the paid quarantine?

@User135644

Non-essential travel (freight etc) should have been off limits from early last year onwards

I'm confused..am I misreading that, did you really mean that as written or did you miss a qualifier?

Stop freight in total and it's no vaccines, no PPE, no spare parts for large parts of the national infrastructure (power, comms - think things like micro chips:/integrated circuits, water.....) certain raw materials:component materials or parts for items you could produce in the Uk (e.g. vaccines again) the list is of what would quickly become unavailable in the UK would be pretty much endless.

[quote loginfail]@User135644

Non-essential travel (freight etc) should have been off limits from early last year onwards

I'm confused..am I misreading that, did you really mean that as written or did you miss a qualifier?

Stop freight in total and it's no vaccines, no PPE, no spare parts for large parts of the national infrastructure (power, comms - think things like micro chips:/integrated circuits, water.....) certain raw materials:component materials or parts for items you could produce in the Uk (e.g. vaccines again) the list is of what would quickly become unavailable in the UK would be pretty much endless.[/quote]
I meant freight as an example of essential travel, I realised the wording after I posted.

Oh well @thefourbells we won't agree. Your vision of the future is so grim and boring that I wouldn't want to live in it. Everybody living where they are born unless they are a refugee. Never mind the global workplace; just work for your uncle in the next house over.

I meant freight as an example of essential travel, I realised the wording after I posted.

Ahh, that makes sense..thanks.

Your vision of the future is so grim and boring that I wouldn't want to live in it. Everybody living where they are born unless they are a refugee. Never mind the global workplace; just work for your uncle in the next house over.

Not sure how you would know anything about my "vision", as all I've said is I think in a post covid world I think people will need to think twice about moving abroad away from family if they don't need to.

I have had a successful and interesting career BTW, I'm not sitting in my house next door to my mum never going anywhere

Anyone remember how twenty years ago the big thing was not using aerosols to protect the ozone.

Went on and on.

Now that all gone quiet and the new equivalent thing is holidaying abroad.

Either way - I carried in using hair spray and deodorants
And I’ll carry on holidaying abroad

@Egghead81
Well, you carried on using hairspray and deodorant because these are now CFC free.