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The vulnerable are all vaccinated?

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Slothsloths · 14/05/2021 15:34

I keep reading here that the vulnerable are vaccinated. Are people referring to groups 1-4, and has everyone in these groups had both their jabs?

I am CV and have not had both jabs and wondered if this is very unusual.

There must also be a smaller number of people who are vulnerable but cannot be vaccinated due to age or other conditions.

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Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 14/05/2021 15:54

No, the vulnerable will never all be vaccinated. Some of the conditions that make them particularly vulnerable also make it very difficult for their immune system to react to vaccination and build the necessary anti-bodies. Just like the children who cannot be vaccinated against measles and rely on everyone else having the vaccination to keep the prevalence of infection down so that they can go to school and live normal lives.
I'm not best pleased with people who get angry at other people trying to keep a safe distance and wanting them to wear masks. It doesn't matter how safe you are, or how vaccinated you and your family are, if you see someone who is obviously trying to keep their distance please treat them with respect and consideration. They may have an underlying condition that has prevented them from building antibodies in response to the vaccination, and are only able to resume anything like a normal life if you avoid knowingly exposing them to unnecessary risks.

Dementedswan · 14/05/2021 16:02

There's been a rush on 2nd jabs at our gp hub in the last couple of weeks. Dh and I are group 6 and had our second, as have all the people I know who were vaccinated jan up till mid march. Mine was 9 weeks apart.

FlattestWhite · 14/05/2021 16:02

Most of groups 1-4 who have had first jabs before mid-Feb should now have had second jabs. Some of groups 6-9 will have had second jabs; most of them will have been offered first jabs, so partial protection. But then there are all those who are unable to be jabbed, or haven't responded well to it - and we don't necessarily know who those are. Others in the vulnerable group have not had it out of choice. Some are vulnerable but didn't necessarily fit into the Group 6 criteria. Others are 45+ so vulnerable to some extent, but were much later in getting their first jab. Some areas of the country are going at different speeds, and some older groups aren't yet vaccinated in some places.

So it's a mix. I'd say the majority of vulnerable have now been offered a first jab, yes. But not all, and not all have actually had one. And a great many have not had a second.

MapleBee · 14/05/2021 17:30

Lots of vulnerable people are not fully vaccinated yet. It's not clear cut.

lostlife · 14/05/2021 17:33

No, my DH has only has 1- 2nd due by 5th June but not got a date yet.
Timings of 1st varied a lot regionally I think (or maybe all the wankers who lied that they were carers- including some of his family who were pretty shamed when they were gloating about being vaccinated and he pointed out that he hadn't been done yet)

Dementedswan · 14/05/2021 17:47

Just been announced they are bringing forward 2nd doses for groups 1 to 9. From 12 weeks to 8.

lostlife · 14/05/2021 17:53

@Dementedswan

Just been announced they are bringing forward 2nd doses for groups 1 to 9. From 12 weeks to 8.
Already past 8 weeks- so wonder what happens? GP so don't have a second vaccination date yet
Original poster
Slothsloths · 14/05/2021 17:53

@Dementedswan

Just been announced they are bringing forward 2nd doses for groups 1 to 9. From 12 weeks to 8.
I don’t see how they could manage that, aren’t the appointments already set? Many of us have already passed the eight week mark anyway.
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Roboticcarrot · 14/05/2021 17:55

@lostlife it was only decided a few days ago (if that), I would expect you will probably hear sometime next week.

Watapalava · 14/05/2021 17:55

All groups 1-9 have been offered and vast majority of the protection comes from the first jab therefore yes they’re largely all vaccinated (or offered)

BittyBatHats · 14/05/2021 17:56

I'm group 6 and my second jab was brought forward to 8 weeks.

Dementedswan · 14/05/2021 17:57

Bj said the NHS will be in touch regarding appointments.

Dementedswan · 14/05/2021 17:57

I just had mine on Wednesday at 9 weeks.

Dementedswan · 14/05/2021 17:59

@lostlife I'd imagine your gp will be in touch to arrange 2nd dose. I'm assuming it was done through them. If not nhs england will arrange apt

cabbageking · 14/05/2021 18:06

My 89 year old friend had only had the first jab. The second has not materialised and 12 weeks have passed. No idea what happens now? Some vulnerable can not have the vaccine as the risk to them is too high.

ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere · 14/05/2021 18:12

@cabbageking

My 89 year old friend had only had the first jab. The second has not materialised and 12 weeks have passed. No idea what happens now? Some vulnerable can not have the vaccine as the risk to them is too high.
They or a carer need to ring 119 then.
Tal45 · 14/05/2021 18:36

My mum is 67 and only just had her second jab.

Tealightsandd · 14/05/2021 18:41

No they're not. Lots of CV and over 50s in some areas still waiting for their second dose.

Also, the risk of hospitalisation or death significantly rises at 45 (not 50) - and 40s are at increased risk of Long Covid.

Oblomov21 · 14/05/2021 20:32

Hang on a sec, a 89 no second is nonsense. Any call to GP would have fixed this.

Buby51 · 14/05/2021 20:37

@cabbageking

My 89 year old friend had only had the first jab. The second has not materialised and 12 weeks have passed. No idea what happens now? Some vulnerable can not have the vaccine as the risk to them is too high.
Similar to an elderly relative of mine who's first vaccination was booked through her gp rather than through the nhs website. 12 weeks passed since the first and she waiting for a call (told not to ring the surgery). She ended up ringing and they and forgotten to contact her - they booked it there and then though. It was over 12 weeks but said it shouldn't be a massive issue! So please get them or their carer to ring up ASAP!
Tealightsandd · 14/05/2021 20:58

It's concerning. Lots of elderly people don't like to make a fuss and trust the doctor will contact them when ready. GPs should be proactive to make sure their vulnerable elderly patients second doses haven't been missed. There's huge effort being made to persuade vaccine hesitant people to get jabbed. That's important to do, but there should also be time set aside to follow up on the most vulnerable.

Shieldingending · 14/05/2021 21:01

Also for some vulnerable people the vaccine sadly may not give them antibodies... research is showing that people with blood cancers have a poor response so it may not protect them

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 14/05/2021 21:02

Mine was 9 weeks apart.

Me too. Group 6.

Lots of CEV and CV children have not, and will not get, vaccines any time soon. Yet they are expected back at school.

NotBot · 14/05/2021 21:04

Most of the protection comes from the first dose. The vast majority. The second jab is to boost it slightly & make it longer lasting. The vulnerable can take a lot of comfort from having the first jab for sure.

Tealightsandd · 14/05/2021 21:06

@Shieldingending

Also for some vulnerable people the vaccine sadly may not give them antibodies... research is showing that people with blood cancers have a poor response so it may not protect them
Lots of CEV and CV children have not, and will not get, vaccines any time soon. Yet they are expected back at school.

Should the government reintroduce shielding?