Breaking News Boris press conference tonight 14/05/21

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So, is Monday under threat? Change to school masks or hugs?

It this the thread where people just come along and make shit up and pretend it's fact?

This happened
These people died
Then this happened

Why because Maureen on MN said so

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

@Franklin12

If less than 50% of eligible people re vaccinated in Bolton that is your answer.

Where is that stat from? As far as I can see from the Bolton News - 25% of the population of Bolton aged 16 and over had received both vaccines, 61% of residents aged 16 and over have received one. That was the data up to 3rd May, it’s going to be higher than that now. And I don’t think 5ose stats were wildly out of line with the U.K. stats at the time.

I think some people upthread might have accidentally inserted the word ‘eligible’ into newspaper reports that are talking about coverage.
The figures up to 9th May were released yesterday. If I can find them I’ll see if I can get a more up to date %

@Abraxan

Does anyone want to live with covid?

I doubt we have any choice. I can't see it going away. We are unlikely to eradicate covid. We have to learn to live with it

We are living with it now.

'Living with it' could mean:

• ignore it entirely and count the deaths
• have ongoing low level mitigation
• try to really push cases down
• intermittent lockdowns

All of these are living with it, just lockdowns and high deaths are signs you are living with it badly.

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

Because cases are still low, hospital admissions are still low and people are relying on being able to open on Monday and earn a living.

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

Lockdown is to protect the NHS from becoming overwhelmed.

There is nothing to suggest at the moment that hospitalisations are rising and that the NHS becoming overwhelmed is going to be a problem any time before next winter.

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

Thanks for that mystic Meg . I’m baffled that you think people would want a lockdown . I’m not sure why anyway that will only happen if the nhs is at risk of being overwhelmed.

I'm guessing the 'delay the Monday opening for gods sakes' brigade don't run a business or work in any industry that would be severely affected by a last minute change of plan either?

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

I'm happy because my son and many like him have spent months without a proper income to support his family, has spent the last of his savings promoting the reopening of his establishment, and of things hadn't gone ahead as planned on Monday I honestly dread to think how it would've affected him. And not JUST him, countless more like him.

Those in the north who have had far more restrictions for far longer would probably disagree with this tbh. Some places have had hardly any release since last March.

Absolutely. I live in one of those areas which had a grand total of 3 weeks out of restrictions despite cases in my immediate area being well below the national average throughout.

Our local businesses need to be able to trade.

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

Hospitalisations and deaths are low and vaccine take up is high - why delay businesses being open unnecessarily when the data doesn't support any reason to delay?

I would actually ask the opposite question - why do people want us locked down longer than is necessary?

@Coldwine75

Why are people happy the Monday opening is not delayed? Do you want another lockdown as its coming?

Of course not.

Why do you think it’s a given?

Does anyone have the hospital admission figures for the areas with higher infection rates ?

@Franklin12

Maybe we need to think about different restrictions for the unvaccinated. I heard someone in the outside cafe I was in today saying that if they wanted to go abroad they would take the vaccine but not until then.

Shame on them. I am sick of people just thinking of themselves and spreading this virus around.

Having the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching or spreading COVID-19

If the vaccine truly works as we’re told it does, then the vaccinated would be protected anyway, so why would you be concerned about the unvaccinated?

@DelBocaVista

Those in the north who have had far more restrictions for far longer would probably disagree with this tbh. Some places have had hardly any release since last March.

Absolutely. I live in one of those areas which had a grand total of 3 weeks out of restrictions despite cases in my immediate area being well below the national average throughout.

Our local businesses need to be able to trade.

Same here. We've had barely any time out of lockdown in over a year now.

Same here. We've had barely any time out of lockdown in over a year now.

It's been tough hasn't it?
I'm delighted for those that can open on Monday.

@Coldwine75
Cafes, restaurants, pubs, museums, theatres, cinemas etc employ a lot of people.
The longer they are closed, the more likely they are not to survive...
the people that own them might be happy
The people that work there might be happy

As well as customers!

Maybe we need to think about different restrictions for the unvaccinated

Good luck with that. As a PP said it couldn't start anyway until all age groups have been offered the vaccine, and those who can't have it would have to be exempted

After that though (and on current figures) minority communities may be disproportionately affected. The screams of racism would then be deafening and it wouldn't make any difference anyway since it's one thing enacting something and quite another enforcing it - especially as enforcement won't be attempted in this context

@Abraxan

Does anyone want to live with covid?

I doubt we have any choice. I can't see it going away. We are unlikely to eradicate covid. We have to learn to live with it

We've had two good chances to eradicate it from the UK.

The first time was at the end of the first lockdown when cases were ultra low - this before the Kent variant. But we rushed the exit from lockdown and it was weeks later still that Track and Trace started working.

The second time was about 1 month ago when we SHOULD have red listed India, but because Boris was desperate for a trade deal, he didn't want to risk offending the Indians, so kept the door open and allowed this new variant to be seeded all over the country.

I don't think we'll get a third chance.

The worrying thing is that no scientist has yet put forward a realistic long-term assessment of what "living with covid" could be like in the UK. Much will depend on the extent to which the virus continues to mutate - and the extent to which vaccine protection holds up. People talk as though it will be like flu in a couple of years... that scenario is decades away.

@CarbsafterMarbs

The vaccine significantly reduces the chance both of catching covid and passing it on. I don't know why this myth that it doesn't persists.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/may/02/vaccinated-people-less-likely-to-pass-covid-on

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

I'm guessing the 'delay the Monday opening for gods sakes' brigade don't run a business or work in any industry that would be severely affected by a last minute change of plan either?

Exactly I work in the industry, the last few weeks has been preparing for next week you can’t just pull the plug last minute. Business really would go bust they’ve ordered stock ready based on bookings .

Having the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching or spreading COVID-19

No vaccine stops anyone from contracting an infection, but they reduce the chances of you developing a symptomatic infection AND spreading it.

If the vaccine truly works as we’re told it does, then the vaccinated would be protected anyway, so why would you be concerned about the unvaccinated?

Just C R A P.

In the most vulnerable, their immune systems don't work properly, so the vaccine benefit is low - their main protection is NOT ENCOUNTERING THE VIRUS in the first place. THAT relies on everyone else getting vaccinated.

@blueangel19

Why were people 'allowed' to mix over Christmas when numbers were higher?

We were not allowed to mix at Christmas

Many people were allowed to mix inside at Christmas. We couldn't travel or stay overnight, but could have some indoor visitors.

Having the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching or spreading COVID-19

I was under the impression that being vaccinated reduced transmission rates ?

Does anyone have the hospital admission figures for the areas with higher infection rates?

I don't know if they've touched on this yet, but if anyone knows the people on the Data and Stats thread will. It's an excellent resource for solid data (goodness knows how the folk on there know how to find it!!) and because doomsters get chased off pretty promptly it's a rare breath of common sense