Page 12 | Choosing not to get vaccine

InnerDiscomfort · 2021-05-08T19:18:04+00:00

Not looking to start a fight, but interested if you have made the decision not to get the vaccine and have no condition that you know of that would stop you, why not? Family members abroad have decided not to get the vaccine (Pfizer I think). Vague concerns about it not being safe and/ or tested enough. They both work outside the home and have families. Fairly fit and healthy so unlikely to be seriously affected by COVID, under 50 years of age. It's not something I agree with but up to them I guess. I'm also unlikely to get ill but had my first vaccine mainly to help stop the spread (and I'd like to go abroad!) So if you haven't had it, I'm interested in your reasoning if you would care to share.

BonnieDundee · 09/05/2021 11:31

The reason is posted is because it is utterly selfish not to have it

You live in a community do something for it.

Jeez.

Do you always bully people who don't agree with you? You have no idea what I've done for my community or what I've lost this year but its never enough for people like you

So exercising one's right to bodily autonomy is selfish now, is it?

Apparently so

BonnieDundee · 09/05/2021 11:33

Remember that when things don’t go your way and in a population sense people who don’t have the vaccine who are not contraindicated are responsible for the pain and harm caused to others. That’s just science fact.

If they can live with that they need to seek help and look deep with in.

That is emotional blackmail. Do you people realise that you are pushing people further away from wanting a vaccine with your coercive tactics?

Badtiming21 · 09/05/2021 11:34

The extreme shaming of those who choose not to have the vaccine reminds me of pro lifers. I'm sure somebody will quote my post and say what a ridiculous comparison as the two couldn't be more different, but the militant judgement is exactly the same imo.

Their body, their choice. You don't get to shame people into compliance.

I won't be having the vaccine anytime soon because I'm pregnant but even before I was, I wouldn't have had the AZ if you paid me to.

I see not many people have responded to the poster several pages back who told of how her young and healthy friend left behind two small children after losing her life from a vaccine related blood clot.

I'm fairly certain that same woman wouldn't have died leaving behind her poor children if she'd had the virus itself.

FWIW I've had covid and the only symptoms I had were a runny nose and feeling a bit run down for a couple of days. That infection coincided with me having recently recovering from sepsis, being about a stone overweight and being a smoker (at that point)

Some of the vaccine shamers would have you believe I'd have dropped dead.

LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 11:36

One of my sister's friends unfortunately died after the AZ jab, also leaving behind two kids ☹️

Badtiming21 · 09/05/2021 11:44

@LondonWFuck

One of my sister's friends unfortunately died after the AZ jab, also leaving behind two kids ☹️

Just awful. I'm so sorry for their loss.

So that's two young women known to be deceased from vaccine related illness, on just one relatively short MN thread. I dread to think what the true number is.

Why don't people care about this?

BonnieDundee · 09/05/2021 11:44

Sensible maybe for you only.
But it’s selfish as in a pandemic
You live in a community.

Look just admit it but when something goes against you in your community just remember .

And I hope you can handle the guilt.

What a fucking nasty shitty thing to say

LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 11:47

@Badtiming21 I don't know. Maybe people are able to minimise these awful side effects and fatalities due to them happening to "other people". Well not me. I also know of someone in hospital being treated for blood clots. Been in for a while apparently. I don't know what the latest on their condition is.

UsedUpUsername · 09/05/2021 12:07

Still, it’s nice to know that previous generations did this so we no longer have Smallpox or Polio or a whole load of horrific illnesses that, in the past, meant vast numbers of children never got to the age of 5

The argument was to protect your own children, not society as a whole.

Or even worse, protect society at a possible cost of your child

UsedUpUsername · 09/05/2021 12:09

Or even worse, protect society at a possible cost of your child

Should read the argument was not to protect society at the possible cost of your child

Justa47 · 09/05/2021 12:20

@toolatetooearly

Exactly

AppleJane · 09/05/2021 12:23

There's some very nasty comments on here. To you, let me ask this question:

Have you ever bought a National Lottery ticket and if so was it in the hope that you might be 'the one'?

duffeldaisy · 09/05/2021 12:45

The thing is, the virus has one mission - to spread as widely as it can. If everyone who can be vaccinated is, then it can’t go anywhere.
If people are unvaccinated or half-vaccinated, then every time they get it, it can mutate slightly. And the more mutations, the more risk it can become something the vaccines can’t fight. And then we would have to start again. And that is an unbearable thought. That’s why everyone who can needs to, or this drags on and on for us all.

Nerdygirl · 09/05/2021 12:48

That’s the same with flu and it does in fact mutate every year but the whole population does not get vaccinated for that

Lostinacloud · 09/05/2021 12:57

I’ve just come across this study which looked for immunity in 91-100 year old survivors of the Spanish flu back in 1918. It was proven that they still had the ability to generate the 1918 virus killing antibodies they developed when they initially survived infection 90 years later!

www.nature.com/articles/nature07231

As someone who’s had and survived very mild covid, I remain convinced that I have developed my own lasting immunity and so don’t need a vaccine as well. The fact that mainstream science dont seem to want to admit to this well know fact about human antibody production and immunity makes me more suspicious of the current messaging and even less likely to want to take up the vaccine. Why can’t it be a recommended choice, especially to those who haven’t had covid and are nervous about how their own body would react, but at the same time, acknowledging natural immunity and counting that as equal?

TruelyWonder · 09/05/2021 12:59

At least one poster on this thread that knows both someone that has died and someone else in hospital with clots and seriously unwell. Considering the chances of people getting clots that is amazing bad luck. Poor person.

Also

Can the clots be treated?

Generally, the quicker that cases are identified, the better for the patient.

Treatment can involve a number of medicines and includes immunoglobulins - immune proteins - given through a drip.

Some patients will be sent home with new generation blood thinners and have regular monitoring.

According to blood specialist, Prof Adrian Newland, current evidence suggests 75% of people survive.

An expert panel of blood specialists in the UK have put together guidance for doctors, which is being constantly updated.

Not great at all but we have many more risks we take every week. Most are not necessarily for are future health.

Everyone has to make their own decisions. However I wouldn't base those on other peoples opinions or stories. Only the actual facts involved. Then free choice if people choose to have the jab after that.

Currently are covid cases are low. However we can't guarantee that won't change. In which case all vaccines will go back to all age ranges as cases rise again. Weighing the risks simple.

Liliolla · 09/05/2021 13:02

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FlyLight · 09/05/2021 13:05

I'll be waiting for at least the next six months before considering the vaccine. I'm mid thirties, fit and healthy and have had covid mildly six months ago. I find it quite bizarre that everyone is so concerned about long covid post viral fatigue) yet people suffering vaccine after effects are told it's a coincidence or that they're thinking it's worse than it is. I only know two people who've had no side effects from the vaccine yet I know many who are still suffering ill effects months later. Neither of these vaccine technologies have been widely used on humans before and I'm so utterly bored of being called selfish for wanting to wait until we have more data.

TruelyWonder · 09/05/2021 13:06

So far around 7 million people have died from covid

Roughly 30k people a day are dieing around the world at the moment. That figure is still increasing.

Covid is on retreat here at the moment but we can't guarantee that we stay the case.

People that have had covid before that stay unvaccinated or people with only one dose can still transmit the virus. People that have had both doses have been scientifically proven to have substantial less transmission. In fact so far there has never been an officially proven case of them doing this. Which doesn't mean it can't happen but does highlight the benefits in stopping community transmission.

All these things don't mean you should get the jab but they should be considered in your decision making.

Justa47 · 09/05/2021 13:07

@BonnieDundee

It’s a serious issue and that’s the honest answer.
If you want to fin who is responsible for that get a mirror and look in it.

This is not a party it’s a pandemic.
Growth up and be an adult.

And trying to move your guilt on to me in this is crazy.

Talking the risks but you get in a car etc.

Simply pathetic.

Grenlei · 09/05/2021 13:07

I haven't had it. I will only be offered AZ and I'm not keen. Lots of people I know seem to have had horrendous symptoms after it.

I'm pretty sure I had Covid around Christmas. Felt like flu. My sense of smell is still not right. I WFH, see almost no one. I have no elderly or vulnerable relatives whose health I'm directly risking by not having it.

I might consider if next year if there's been more research, or the other vaccines become an option, or it becomes a requirement for travel. But for now, no.

Justa47 · 09/05/2021 13:10

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LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 13:11

@TruelyWonder