Choosing not to get vaccine

[InnerDiscomfort]

Not looking to start a fight, but interested if you have made the decision not to get the vaccine and have no condition that you know of that would stop you, why not?

Family members abroad have decided not to get the vaccine (Pfizer I think). Vague concerns about it not being safe and/ or tested enough. They both work outside the home and have families. Fairly fit and healthy so unlikely to be seriously affected by COVID, under 50 years of age.

It's not something I agree with but up to them I guess. I'm also unlikely to get ill but had my first vaccine mainly to help stop the spread (and I'd like to go abroad!)

So if you haven't had it, I'm interested in your reasoning if you would care to share.

@LondonWFuck

Lucky you. Glad you are having and also glad post people did. It take your view or many more would have died.

I'm as fit as they come - 37, non smoker, regularly run and walk long distances sat here with covid with a heavy chest after three weeks and half the sense of taste I had three weeks ago. I never ever want this illness again if I can help it. I have lost a month of my life in quarantine. I think people who don't have it mainly can't imagine what upset even a mild case can cause to their lives. My hairdresser, a young woman, is now limping and her hand shakes on one side of her body when she lifts it. My friend's mother died. I don't understand how people honestly prioritise a small unknown risk over an immediate, measurable physical risk to their safety. It must all be very fr removed for them to do this. I assume they have no plans to travel any time soon either because it is not in control outside of the UK. At all.

I'm not having it whilst I am pregnant but I will be afterwards.

Excellent post @chillichoclove. I hadn't thought of it that way at all but you are right. I had the vaccine without question but do have niggling doubt over encouraging my year 13 child to have it. Ultimately she will make her own decision as due probably understands the science more than I do.
I have had alit of pressure from an anti vaxxer to nit have 2nd dose. Apparently I will be dead 3 years tops.
The govt had said it. Apparently that the biggest casualties in the 3rd wave will be vaccinated vulnerable so the vaccine kills right!. Upon investigation what they actually said was that the largest casualties will be from the unfortunate minority of vulnerable groups to whom the vaccine doesn't work. So all those say I don't need to protect my parents as they have been vaccinated might want to hope a third wave doesn't happen and that their vulnerable family members are not one of the unlucky minority.

@Plumedenom

I'm as fit as they come - 37, non smoker, regularly run and walk long distances sat here with covid with a heavy chest after three weeks and half the sense of taste I had three weeks ago. I never ever want this illness again if I can help it. I have lost a month of my life in quarantine. I think people who don't have it mainly can't imagine what upset even a mild case can cause to their lives. My hairdresser, a young woman, is now limping and her hand shakes on one side of her body when she lifts it. My friend's mother died. I don't understand how people honestly prioritise a small unknown risk over an immediate, measurable physical risk to their safety. It must all be very fr removed for them to do this. I assume they have no plans to travel any time soon either because it is not in control outside of the UK. At all.

There are, of course, rare cases of young healthy individuals becoming ill with covid. But they are just that - rare cases. I got flu 5 years ago that developed into pneumonia and the recovery was over 3 months ("long flu" if you want to call it that). Still, I was a rare case for a healthy 20 odd year old and I don't think everyone should go and get a flu jab because of that.

[quote Justa47]@InnerDiscomfort

This is the true position.

All the vaccines have been properly tested. Anyone who thinks different is to be very honest showing the world they are ignorant about drugs.

Any one who is not contraindicated for the vaccines is being selfish expecting others to do the hard work and lifting and then they benefit as the virus can’t propagate in the the population.

It’s a pandemic. It’s a health war. Adults need to do their bit as we all live in communities.

So people not taking come up will all sort of emotional bating BS and false hoods.

They should be shamed for being weak selfish and ignorant.

It’s that’s simple and that clear .[/quote]
I think you are showing your ignorance about vaccine development. The studies are not complete. We have no longitudinal safety data. The preclinical work that would ordinarily done before human studies is being done in tandem, and known risks of certain approaches (eg adenovirus vectors and thrombocytopenia) were glossed over in the haste to bring products to market in what was viewed as an emergency situation.

I cast no judgement on the expedition of the trial process, but to say a normal, sequential and thorough process has been conducted is manifestly wrong. Which is why full approval has not been granted.

@ThatchersCold

I’ll take my chances on being one of the 99.98% who survive the ‘deadly’ pandemic and have said no thanks to mine.

So in short you’re a covid denier

@Northernsoulgirl45

Excellent post *@chillichoclove*. I hadn't thought of it that way at all but you are right. I had the vaccine without question but do have niggling doubt over encouraging my year 13 child to have it. Ultimately she will make her own decision as due probably understands the science more than I do. I have had alit of pressure from an anti vaxxer to nit have 2nd dose. Apparently I will be dead 3 years tops. The govt had said it. Apparently that the biggest casualties in the 3rd wave will be vaccinated vulnerable so the vaccine kills right!. Upon investigation what they actually said was that the largest casualties will be from the unfortunate minority of vulnerable groups to whom the vaccine doesn't work. So all those say I don't need to protect my parents as they have been vaccinated might want to hope a third wave doesn't happen and that their vulnerable family members are not one of the unlucky minority.

Actually they said that the fatalities in W3 will be in the double vaccinated due to 'vaccine failures', which is (in my opinion) intentionally vague. If it was because of those vaccines that didn't work, why is the prediction not that unvaccinated will be in the highest mortality group in W3?

@RaiseTheBeastie

I've no intention of having any any time soon.

I agree with the pp who said the huge push to vaccinate young healthy people feels...odd. Desperate, even a bit creepy. Adverts for it everywhere, facebook banners etc.

So many people I know who've had it are almost fanatical about how necessary it is, how they're looking forward to going back to normal and everything being fixed, how everyone just absolutely must have it or you're a hysterical, uneducated moron that wants to murder little old grannies and disabled kids.

It's almost a bit cultish and it worries me to be honest.

This.

wait a little while longer in case any new developments come out about those vaccines the same way the AZ ones came out further down the line after so many people had their doses.

This isn’t being anti vaccine. It’s a sensible approach. In Ireland there is a big concern among up to 150,000 healthcare workers who have had their first dose of AZ but are hesitant/reluctant to have the second dose. The Gov threatened their jobs but then backed down. Since then only

So in short you’re a covid denier

They aren’t denying COVID lmao they are saying it’s not deadly to most people. Fact check: true

I'm waiting. I'm not I the uk and I don't think I'm eligible to get it here yet anyway.
I'm desperate to go to the uk to see family (haven't seen mum, siblings, friends since Sept 2019). As soon as I know I can travel to the uk and back without quarantine I will get it. I think it'll be a while before that happens and i worry that if I get the vaccine now it will not be effective by the time I will be allowed to travel but wont be eligible for a booster.
And I would prefer my vaccine to go to India, Nepal, Brazil .... right now. It's needed there more (to slow down spread, deaths and mutations) than I need to see my family.

@Plumedenom

Exactly well Said.

I'm not going to have it. I'm 37.

I'm not anti vax. I don't think we're being injected with microchips. I don't deny the existence of COVID.

I do think some things have been exaggerated heavily and a lot of the things we are still having to do are more about control.

I don't agree with vaccine passports and am concerned tbh how easily people will blindly follow the government (who nobody trusts 90% of the time) just so they can go to the pub or on holiday.

@pinkmagnolias

Sensible maybe for you only.
But it’s selfish as in a pandemic
You live in a community.

Look just admit it but when something goes against you in your community just remember .

And I hope you can handle the guilt.

I only know one person (30) who were adamant they wouldn't have it.

Then caught covid - extremely mild.

Then long-covid and unable to do anything for weeks. 5 months later, still suffering a little, although largely recovered.

Now desperate to get the vaccine.

I presume all the people refusing to take it are still quite happy to enjoy the freedoms we're slowly getting back because of the people who did.

@JunesChild

I'm a nurse and I am not getting it. Certainly not anti-vax, medicine etc.... I am one of 3 where I work who hasn't had it and rest of staff are constantly telling us to get it! Concerns are about unknown side effects, fertility, etc. I have already had Covid, so I figure I already have as much immunity as I will get, a vaccine may extend it now it has been about 8 months since I had Covid. However there are new variants in this country the vaccine doesn't work for. That in combination with concerns about unknown side effects, not worth it to me.

Are you working with vulnerable patients while refusing a vaccine because of completely unfounded and unsupported concerns "about unknown side effects, fertility"? I am genuinely shocked.

@toolatetooearly

I presume all the people refusing to take it are still quite happy to enjoy the freedoms we're slowly getting back because of the people who did.

We're not getting freedoms back because of a vaccine. We're getting freedoms back because our big brother government have decided we can. Furthermore, things will be open (if plans go ahead in June), before most young people will have had a vaccine. The elderly and frail have been vaccinated. No need for the rest of us to.

@UsedUpUsername

So in short you’re a covid denier

They aren’t denying COVID lmao they are saying it’s not deadly to most people. Fact check: true

It’s the “deadly pandemic” line that’s gives it away. Probably also quotes it as flu and believes hospitals were all empty

@Abraxan

Unfortunately they are a Covid denying, anti vaxx nutter who believes the 5G conspiracy theories!

I was hoping for better signal near work following my first vax, even if not quite 5G level. Nothing yet. Maybe after my second next week?! ;)

But did you post about having your first on Facebook? I don’t think the full effects are actually realised until you do.

I have had long covid, I was ill for months. I am in my forties. I really am not comfortable with the admittedly rare (bit high mortality of you get them) clotting side effects of AZ particularly as other countries are not recommending it for my age group.
A vaccine without potentially fatal side effects is another matter but likely not what I will be offered.

*but high mortality if you get them

People compare the percentage change of having side effects from the vaccination and the percentage chance of having bad COVID but there's a point they forget.

You're already increasing your chances of getting vaccination side effects by actively choosing to have it. Whereas you may never catch COVID because you can do things to actively reduce your chances of coming into contact with it.

So it's not just a case of well you might get vaccine side effects but if you don't have the vaccine you'll get COVID and that can be bad too.
You might not get COVID and then you've avoided all possible side effects.

Hopefully that makes sense. I've had very little sleep