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No more masks in classrooms - hurray!

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TeddingtonTrashbag · 07/05/2021 06:37

Hurray!
I am a secondary teacher and just hope it really happens.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/06/exclusive-end-masks-classroom-boris-johnson-defies-unions/

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IloveJKRowling · 12/05/2021 09:24

Cancer - the reason waiting lists are at an all time high is because the medics that would normally treat cancer were diverted to deal with massive numbers of coronavirus cases.

If you care about cancer treatment, the most logical thing to do is keep the masks to try and reduce covid infections and avert a third wave.

If cases of covid go up again, the number of cancer treatments go down. It's really simple.

I'm willing to bet that cancer treatments in Australia or NZ are basically operating as normal, because they have had minimal covid cases compared to us.

Obviously there are other factors - but if you think it's important to treat cancer, then keep the masks.

IloveJKRowling · 12/05/2021 09:25

@CallmeHendricks

Find normality? Isn't that what India did a few months ago?
Quite.

I do wonder how many times this has to play out before there is a hint of recognition that learning from recent history might be a good idea.

TheSunIsStillShining · 12/05/2021 09:36

*Pastanred

You go by the drama queens on Mumsnet the whole bloody world has long covid*

At the moment there are thought to be 1.1m people with long covid in the UK, around 500k with symptoms for more than 6 months.

Just have a think. People with long standing conditions are:

  • less likely to work
  • less likely to work in highly taxed areas (stress and competitiveness)
  • more likely to use the NHS more
  • more likely to apply for some form of benefit

It's a health, but also a societal issue.

borntobequiet · 12/05/2021 09:40

A mask, will not lessen my risk.

Well, it might.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

And why wouldn’t you want to continue protecting others, especially as to everyone else, you’re an “other”? Surely you’d want them to be interested in protecting you? It’s reciprocal.

noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 09:53

Isn’t it weird that the people who are so dismissive of long covid/covid as a serious illness also happen to be people who are anti lockdown, don’t think masks work etc etc.

OnTheBrink1 · 12/05/2021 10:11

@noblegiraffe

Isn’t it weird that the people who are so dismissive of long covid/covid as a serious illness also happen to be people who are anti lockdown, don’t think masks work etc etc.
Yeah weird that. Almost as if they feel like they have been lied to and manipulated. Humm how strange
noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 10:18

Do you not know anyone who has been seriously affected by covid or long covid?

I know a couple of people my age, one who was hospitalised with a blood clot with covid and one who hasn’t been able to return to work for months. The idea that I’m being lied to about these things is bizarre when I can see that covid really is something to be wary of.

I’m wondering if some people don’t really know anyone, or have spent the last year with their eyes closed.

Usernameforthisbekind · 12/05/2021 10:22

NC for this. I have been debating whether to post this.

Our 15 year old healthy Dd caught an unknown virus last year. She was fine one day, only a slight cough, and the next day the virus went into her brain and she spent months in hospital. She still is very exhausted. She has to take a huge amount of medication with nasty side effects. Unfortunately we will never know if it was the covid virus as it wasn’t tested for (test wasn’t available yet) and the consultant doesn’t know how she’s going to react if she gets covid.

She went back to school last September and has been getting fantastic results, despite going to bed as soon as she gets home. Just before Christmas, as covid was doing the rounds in her year, she was told by her teacher that she would not get good marks for an assessed performance piece because she wanted to do it socially distanced or wear a mask. She was very anxious because she wanted good marks but didn’t want to compromise her health further. She ended up having a huge rise in seizures. Unsurprisingly, a person in her group got covid a week later so they couldn’t do it anyway.

After lockdown they have now been doing the assessment in masks and distancing, as per guidelines. She is and feels much safer as they are not allowed to touch each other either. She has been able to join in and be a bit ‘normal’ again. And nobody in her year has tested positive for covid.

She’s a bright girl. She watches politicians in the House of Commons (with no windows similar to her classroom) and obviously much bigger and airier than her classroom. She sees how spaced out they are and they are wearing masks. But these are the people ignoring the scientific posts she reads about. And these are the people who give schools the rules right down to teacher level - the go ahead for her assessments to be touchy and unmasked again next week.

We are so lucky she is 16 now and can have the vaccine. She will be partially protected by next week.

There are so many parents who have younger children who can’t have the vaccine. And are trying to do a cost-benefit analysis every day by looking at how many cases there are, the science on variants and balancing it with their child’s education v health risk. Just like teaching staff too.

Dd is so brave having had so many cannulas, long lines and other invasive procedures over the last year so you can imagine what we think of people who complain about getting a bit sweaty with a mask on. Whilst she is monitored every night and has more procedures to go. To look at her you wouldn’t even know what she’s going through.

We know masks have got to go at some point but the fact that some mums and supposed teachers on here are ‘cheering’ and dismissing other posters with vulnerable children is pathetic. Have you no empathy?

Would you do that to disabled children to their faces too? The anxiety is real for a real reason you should hope you don’t ever have to go through.

I am leaving this thread now. Just please respect those children and staff who may not be as elated on Monday.

IloveJKRowling · 12/05/2021 10:49

Username Thank you for taking the time to post.

I'm so glad your daughter can be vaccinated now. She sounds like a remarkable young women who will go far.

I am sorry that she was not adequately supported by her teacher when wanting to wear a mask. That teacher sounds very unprofessional and I hope she has a different teacher now. This is why government policy matters - your daughter should have had the right to wear a mask and not be penalised, but she has been badly let down. All children have, but particularly children who may be more susceptible to covid.

Best wishes for both your futures Flowers

palacegirl77 · 12/05/2021 10:57

@Usernameforthisbekind Thats sad to hear about your daughter. Obviously as you stated you don't know if her illness is actually anything to do with covid or not. If she was my daughter and her health was in jeopardy like you say she wouldnt be at school until she was vaccinated. Masks will not protect her as theyre just not used correctly and in her case could cause more issues as people wearing them are much less likely to stick to keeping apart from each other where possible. Unfortunately although your story is sad for your family that isnt the case for most families or children and our concerns are also worth hearing. We don't actually know if wearing damp face cloths for 6 hours a day is doing any damage to our children, yet my daughter wears hers because she has a conscience and wants to do the right thing. As parents we do have a right to question their use.

Toomanymuslins · 12/05/2021 11:41

I don’t know anyone with long covid in fact - I’m not for a moment denying it happens, before anyone jumps down my throat!

IloveJKRowling · 12/05/2021 11:59

Masks will not protect her as theyre just not used correctly and in her case could cause more issues as people wearing them are much less likely to stick to keeping apart from each other where possible

This is just not proven to be true - originally some developed an unfounded theory that people might not social distance while wearing a mask but in fact there is some evidence that mask use is more likely to encourage and reinforce social distancing. (not that social distancing is possible in most state schools anyway). www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

We don't actually know if wearing damp face cloths for 6 hours a day is doing any damage to our children

We do know that doctors and nurses routinely wear face masks for 12 hour shifts and are fine. If there was a problem, it definitely would have been picked up. There is no evidence, zero, that they cause harm. The scientific consensus firmly concludes that the benefits of mask use outweigh the risks.

It is not helpful to comment in this way on such a personal post.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/05/2021 12:01

It is too soon to remove them. Large outbreaks are happening in schools, teachers and parents aren't vaccinated yet. The more the virus circulates, the greater the chance it has of mutating. We just need to wait a little while longer.

summersolstice43 · 12/05/2021 12:07

I've just had an email from my DDs school to say they are still going to be wearing their masks for the foreseeable to keep students and staff safer which I agree with as well as the teachers and most students

palacegirl77 · 12/05/2021 13:01

@IloveJKRowling

Masks will not protect her as theyre just not used correctly and in her case could cause more issues as people wearing them are much less likely to stick to keeping apart from each other where possible

This is just not proven to be true - originally some developed an unfounded theory that people might not social distance while wearing a mask but in fact there is some evidence that mask use is more likely to encourage and reinforce social distancing. (not that social distancing is possible in most state schools anyway). www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

We don't actually know if wearing damp face cloths for 6 hours a day is doing any damage to our children

We do know that doctors and nurses routinely wear face masks for 12 hour shifts and are fine. If there was a problem, it definitely would have been picked up. There is no evidence, zero, that they cause harm. The scientific consensus firmly concludes that the benefits of mask use outweigh the risks.

It is not helpful to comment in this way on such a personal post.

Thanks for your positivity as always. It isnt helpful to comment on my post in such an unfounded way. Until there is a full review and inquiry we have no idea what damage mask wearing has or will do. Here is a recent development from Brussels...

www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156628/cloth-mouth-masks-from-avrox-luxembourg-belgium-government-distributed-free-to-pharmacies-may-be-toxic/

You state Doctors and workers wear masks. Correct - masks. Correctly fitted, correctly sized, correctly made masks. Not face cloths as per my comments (see you didnt quote it accurately). If my daughter was offered correctly sized, medical grade masks which could be changed after each lesson, disposed of in a clinical waste bin id be much happier to support their use. I can say it as many times as needs - CHILDREN don't use, wear and store masks correctly.

Xenia · 12/05/2021 13:31

So if a school says masks must be worn on 17 May but the law says not and a school suspends a pupil refusing to wear a mask will the state force the school to allow the child into the classroom?

ChloeCrocodile · 12/05/2021 13:32

Do you not know anyone who has been seriously affected by covid or long covid?

I know literally nobody who has been hospitalised or died from covid, and nobody who has had long covid. I have heard of a couple of friend-of-a-friend type people who were hospitalised. Those I know who have had it vary from "mild cold" to "worse than flu". I recognise that I am lucky and that my experience is probably not typical, so have been willing to accept most restrictions and will continue to (largely) abide by the rules. Another person with my covid experience may be more inclined to believe conspiracy theories and (tbh) it is easy to see why.

noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 13:42

Masks will not protect her as theyre just not used correctly and in her case could cause more issues as people wearing them are much less likely to stick to keeping apart from each other where possible

Again, palace, where exactly does this apply in schools? There's no requirement to keep distance. Kids are packed up against each other in classrooms and corridors. Do you think that this is because they're wearing masks??

noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 13:43

And do you think they will suddenly space out from each other on Monday when they aren't wearing masks?

Hanidjed7 · 12/05/2021 13:54

@OhYouBadBadKitten

It is too soon to remove them. Large outbreaks are happening in schools, teachers and parents aren't vaccinated yet. The more the virus circulates, the greater the chance it has of mutating. We just need to wait a little while longer.
Parents and Teachers aren't Vaccinated?? Really... so out of 35 million there's no teachers, no Parents? Even out of 18 million (2nd dose) you can't tell me none of those are teachers or parents - I'm a parent of a primary age kid and as a vulnerable person I had my second dose last week.
palacegirl77 · 12/05/2021 13:57

@noblegiraffe

Masks will not protect her as theyre just not used correctly and in her case could cause more issues as people wearing them are much less likely to stick to keeping apart from each other where possible

Again, palace, where exactly does this apply in schools? There's no requirement to keep distance. Kids are packed up against each other in classrooms and corridors. Do you think that this is because they're wearing masks??

There is no requirement to try and keep distant? Oh right I best tell school that, they can bin off staggered starts and finish times, let year groups mix and start having assemblies and shows etc. Great news!
palacegirl77 · 12/05/2021 13:59

@noblegiraffe

And do you think they will suddenly space out from each other on Monday when they aren't wearing masks?
Well lets hope the fact theyre all tested, sanitising hands and that levels are low where we are means it wont matter whether theyre next to each other or not. Worst case scenario? One of the kids picks it up and close contacts isolate. Thats happening now whilst wearing masks so no difference there.
noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 14:03

Teacher vaccination data. If they weren’t vaccinated on 26th April then they won’t be properly protected on 17th May. Younger teachers won’t be vaccinated for some time.

And of course that’s only the first dose.

Removing masks where the vast majority of people are unvaccinated and in extremely close contact with each other (as anyone who has been in a school corridor will tell you) seems a bit of a gamble in terms of infection rates.

No more masks in classrooms - hurray!
noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 14:10

Well lets hope the fact theyre all tested, sanitising hands and that levels are low where we are means it wont matter whether theyre next to each other or not

It’s strange that on the one hand you think teenagers are grubbily wearing the same mask for days but on the other you want us to rely on them accurately and regularly doing covid tests and sanitising their hands.

noblegiraffe · 12/05/2021 14:13

Well lets hope the fact theyre all tested, sanitising hands and that levels are low where we are means it wont matter whether theyre next to each other or not

It’s strange that on the one hand you think teenagers are grubbily wearing the same mask for days but on the other you want us to rely on them accurately and regularly doing covid tests and sanitising their hands.