Could we be heading for another lockdown?

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twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1390390350779461638?s=08

have finally sat down to read this, someone at work was discussing it but i was only half listening....what do you think?

Thank you TruelyWonder.

From what I can tell Deepti Gurdasani is a big advocate of Zero-Covid & is biased to interpret all data in light of pursuing their prejudice that Zero-Covid strategy will provide only acceptable level of risk, and that no price is too great to pay to achieve Zero-Covid.

I don't think they are looking at data in good faith with an open mind about possible policy outcomes.

Hi Michelle, here is a link to read www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-57010292 you can let me know what you think. I also read somewhere they want to increase the speed of vaccination here, perhaps to try to combat this?

Rainbowsandstorms
Yes it was AZ I had. Yes thank you - I see the 'at least 16 weeks' on the link. I am starting to feel I have long term head and eye damage, and 16 weeks immunity is better than nothing, but not worth these ongoing side effects. I desperately want covid protection, but as every week goes by and the side effects remain, the thought of having another AZ dose seems impossible. I would love to know why Johnson and Johnson is one dose as opposed to AZ's two doses. I assume although very similar it is different.

[quote Rainbowsandstorms]@penni00 I’ve been wondering the same thing. Is it AZ that you had? I’ve read that the first dose protects for at least 16 weeks and Ireland have now increased the gap between first and second doses to 16 weeks for AZ for low risk under 60s to give them more time to monitor the emerging data. Link is here www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/immunity/

@TruelyWonder does the second dose information above just relate the MRNA vaccinations? I know the person who tweeted is a well respected source of information but also in the US where they aren’t using AZ. I’m also trying to get to the bottom of the purpose etc of the second dose of AZ as I’m in my 30s and feel uneasy about the second dose until there is more data. I’m aware Johnson and Johnson is the closest to AZ and that’s one dose but obviously the second dose of AZ is there for a reason but it would be great to fully understand the purpose of it when Johnson and Johnson have gone with just one. It’s all so complicated and unknown! Though appreciate we are lucky to live in a country where the vaccination programme has gone so well.[/quote]
The answer is yes she tells people that have had AZ they definitely need both doses too. No idea if it is the exact same explanation for all but the answer is the same.

She also states that the current evidence and guidance from all the regulators is to have your second dose as the risk is thought to be a lot less if first was ok.

Try messaging her if you have a question about AZ. She probably won't answer about clots as not her exact thing. She will normally answer questions about the vaccine effectiveness, variants and scheduling. So your question about if you need the second dose and why would be ok. Good luck ❤

@penni00

Rainbowsandstorms Yes it was AZ I had. Yes thank you - I see the 'at least 16 weeks' on the link. I am starting to feel I have long term head and eye damage, and 16 weeks immunity is better than nothing, but not worth these ongoing side effects. I desperately want covid protection, but as every week goes by and the side effects remain, the thought of having another AZ dose seems impossible. I would love to know why Johnson and Johnson is one dose as opposed to AZ's two doses. I assume although very similar it is different.

Go tweet the Twitter expert and ask 👍

Yes I will get tweeting!

@Staffy1

Why do people get so aggressive about this topic? Of course no one is rubbing their hands with glee. We're allowed to be concerned and discuss our concerns.

I don't think people are getting aggressive as such. I do think many are fed up with people trying to sneak their topic into AIBU to get "traffic" when there is a perfectly good Coronavirus board that is visited by thousands of folk daily with multiple topics running.

Glad this got moved now thank you Mumsnet HQ.

Thank you @TruelyWonder going to see if I can find out more about this.

@penni00 I’m sorry you’re still suffering. Please can you let me know if you find out any more info re the science behind the second dose. I’m going to message a few people so will come back to you if I manage to find anything else out. My plan at the moment is to postpone until 16 weeks as they are in Ireland and review the evidence at that point as the data has changed significantly during the period since I had my first dose and now so I’m hoping an extra four weeks will allow me to make a more informed decision while I still have immunity.

Well it's going to mutate and produce new variants until.the end of days now. Its evolving and we need to evolve socailing to live with it as the option is living covid free is fantasy.

Lock us up like New Zeeland. Great. Do you think when they unlock the will be immune all new and future variants.

I dont want another lockdown. Either a ) vaccinations are our exit plan or
b ) we live with covid deaths

Where is plan c? Everyone around the world stays at home safe forever?

Let Britain do the perfect thing what ever the perfect response is? So what? New variants will pop up all over the world and we can no less keep them at our borders than any other country on earth did with the original Chinese version.

So really, I cant be scared of the inevitable conclusion, which btw clearly isnt end of the human race.

We are the unstoppable plague on this earth.

@Rainbowsandstorms
Hi, thank you. I will let you know if I find out anything. I think I might wait the 16 weeks too. Maybe I might feel healthy by then! I am kind of hoping that by then the gov might be offering mRNA as a second dose to those who have had AZ as a first dose. I am not optimistic that will happen though. To be honest, I would have been ok having the second dose, if the first dose had gone ok, but I can see why people are concerned. Also, I am going to scrutinise the gov analysis prints of side effects for each vaccine to see if there are significant differences between headaches, eye pain etc side effects between AZ and the mRNA. It is the headaches esp that I am concerned with re AZ, there seem to be quite a few people reporting headaches on here that last beyond a week. I have not come across that as yet with the mRNAs, but I need to check. I have a strong hunch, hardly scientific i know lol, that AZ is more of a problem regarding longer lived headaches than the mRNAs. I wonder whether GPs will at some point be allowed to let a select few follow the AZ with a mRNA, ie people who are particularly concerned about AZ.

I genuinely feel like some people would absolutely love it if this just continued forever.
No one can predict the future, but from what I’ve seen recently people still love to go on about how bad everything is and how unsafe schools are etc etc despite schools being open for two months and cases still falling. I really do think that it’ll be a sad day for some people when restrictions lift forever.

I think some people are still frightened. That does not mean they are loving it.
Anxiety and mental health issues do not disappear as a pandemic comes to an end.

I'm glad the tide is turning on these threads, I suggest all these anxious types go and live in a sterile gated community and let everyone else take their chances.

@BeakerWinder,
Rather a harsh comment, against vulnerable people........

We definitely need another lockdown for at least 5 years. Having read some of the new threads in the last couple of weeks people are way to easily influenced by strangers. I suggest we lock everyone up until we find a vaccine for that. It would be for their own safety. The plus side is no more covid by the time people are released

[quote penni00]@BeakerWinder,
Rather a harsh comment, against vulnerable people........[/quote]
Please quote where I said vulnerable?

The Telegraph has this:

'Britain to be Covid-free by August, says vaccine taskforce chief

Departing chairman Clive Dix says UK will be safe this winter without booster shots and calls on Britain to help other countries beat virus'

Really???!!!

I would love to know where I can get some actual non biased data. The guardian prints all the doom monger stuff. The telegraph, the Times and the daily mail print all the optimistic stuff.

Clearly catering to their respective audiences.

@BeakyWinder

In your post you say "I suggest all these anxious types go and live in a sterile gated community and let everyone else take their chances"

Is harsh against vulnerable people because many have had their support stopped due to covid. My area still aren't doing care asseseements which has meant no care this financial year and that is for everyone including those with mental health issues which includes severe anxiety.

I'm very anxious and cannot be vaccinated as too physically ill. I live alone. No support, not even medical care anymore as its inaccessible which also means I no disability benefits and expected to work.

To suggest I should go live in such a place is harsh.

@Flemingshat

I would love to know where I can get some actual non biased data. The guardian prints all the doom monger stuff. The telegraph, the Times and the daily mail print all the optimistic stuff.

Clearly catering to their respective audiences.

You can't. Even the ONS keep manipulating their statistics to fit whatever agenda the government currently want them to say.

Last summer everyone who took longer than 28 days to die was removed from death statistics, that was then reinstated but only over the winter, those numbers have once again disappeared. The criteria for being diagnosed was changed a couple of weeks ago (I've no idea what the difference is for diagnosis now) and numbers were removed which didn't meet the new diagnosis criteria.

The ONS now being more concerned with reporting vaccines.

I've looked at and recorded ONS data for my own purposes since this be began and it's quite clear they are not simply reporting numbers but manipulating data.

No more lockdowns.

What is the point of starting this thread OP? Seriously, what?

@Becca199620141 you've taken it personally- but actually it's disgusting you aren't getting the treatment and support you need. I'd like less focus on bloody covid and more on every other illness that hasn't just disappeared in the last year. My daughter hasn't had any support for her eating disorder since March 2020. Covid is the only thing that seems to matter, and the more HEALTHY adults who quite like being furloughed or WFH and want a new lockdown every time someone coughs are really starting to get on my tits.

OMG, the picture in the Guardian link looks like propaganda. Emergency medical people urgently climbing a stairs to someone's home (a generic stock photo). Like it's all so scary, it's coming to your house now. Be afraid, be more afraid.
Oh, wait, it's not that bad from the quote from the reliable expert bod towards the end. And there have been many news stories saying that our vaccines DO WORK with regards to Indian varient even if not quite as well. But good enough.
Be not afraid!