AZ Clots = LATEST From MHRA

[Emma2021]

Hi

With a lot of talk re clots, and those worried re first jab and possibly many worried re second AZ jabs, the 'Yellow Card' scheme by MHRA
releases details every so often the last lot were on 23 April 2012.

Next lot due tomorrow I think

Read link re first jab clots and 1 for second jab and more and how many people/doses accounted for those clots.

I'm hoping that on the next update possibly tomorrow, there will be great news re second dose of AZ and clots.

I'm also hoping our NHS to udate re treatments, better treatment for these clots.

The link details 23 April re AZ and Pifer side affects & same link will give you access to updates hopefully tomorrow

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

Please feel free to thank me.

PS. There is nothing wrong with wanting honest, accurate, speedy info re vaccines and and side affects as then you can make a more informed decision. FYI i got my second a few days ago was and am worried but on balance of risk as it stands today, I'd get it/vaccine again and I'm over 50 years of age.

Thanks

@Rainbowsandstorms

thank you again.

anyone with more insight re clots and how long to wait and a link and any more info on second dose and waiting periods for that please?

@emma2021 where did you get this info from?
Am I reading it right, re number of fatalities?

Thanks
Been reading and the 50 to 59 appears to be at a big risk but the youngsters are at most as only a small number of them have had the jabs when compared with th 50+ group
Age range (years)Number of reportsNumber of fatal reports
18-29246
30-39318
40-49387
50-596815
60-69368
70-79254
80-8951
90-9910
Unknown140

@bookworm1632
The clots caused by the pill are about 19x LESS likely to kill you, but they are about 100x MORE likely to occur. In short, you're roughly 5x more likely to die from the pill.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears you’ve done your calculations based on the frequency of hormonal contraception blood clots in women taking the pill for 10yrs or more? So after having over 3,650 doses? So not sure you can say the pill is higher risk when you are comparing taking 3,650 doses of the pill to taking 1 dose of a vaccine?

@PlanDeRaccordement I thought they were treatable ? Thats worried me more now about second dose as I thought at least it was treatable , didn't know it was hard to treat

[quote worriedatthemoment]@PlanDeRaccordement I thought they were treatable ? Thats worried me more now about second dose as I thought at least it was treatable , didn't know it was hard to treat [/quote]
Yes the blood clots from the AZ vaccine are absolutely treatable.

Just not as easily treatable as blood clots from the pill are. It’s really misinformation to be comparing them. It’s like comparing a broken leg to a skull fracture. Both are broken bones, but it’s not comparable.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@bookworm1632
The clots caused by the pill are about 19x LESS likely to kill you, but they are about 100x MORE likely to occur. In short, you're roughly 5x more likely to die from the pill.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears you’ve done your calculations based on the frequency of hormonal contraception blood clots in women taking the pill for 10yrs or more? So after having over 3,650 doses? So not sure you can say the pill is higher risk when you are comparing taking 3,650 doses of the pill to taking 1 dose of a vaccine?[/quote]
Nope - per year.

And given that it is highly unlikely that anyone

Rainbowsandstorms - sorry I don’t know how to link but thank you! I will check out that account. It has got to the point where I’m googling private blood tests to try and get my platelets tested! I know I need to step away from these threads and the news but I can’t stop scouring for new stats etc.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@bookworm1632
The clots caused by the pill are about 19x LESS likely to kill you, but they are about 100x MORE likely to occur. In short, you're roughly 5x more likely to die from the pill.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears you’ve done your calculations based on the frequency of hormonal contraception blood clots in women taking the pill for 10yrs or more? So after having over 3,650 doses? So not sure you can say the pill is higher risk when you are comparing taking 3,650 doses of the pill to taking 1 dose of a vaccine?[/quote]
Incidentally it's pretty desperate and frankly either stupid or deliberately deceitful to demand a per dose comparison given that vaccines only REQUIRE a single dose, while typically someone on the pill takes it every day for many years.

Perhaps to allow for the presence of the small minded in these forums, I should have stated risk per year.

So the risk per year OF DEATH from the pill is roughly 5 x the risk per year OF DEATH from the vaccine.

@bookworm1632

It would be helpful if you could provide a source for your figures?
I don’t think asking how you came up with your risk numbers is “deceitful” or ‘small minded’.

I did a quick look and the 100x risk seemed to be based on the 1% risk number often reported regarding the BC pill and I know that 1% is from a study that looked at a 10yr span. Not very many women take the pill for an entire decade with no break at all for pregnancy.... So why am I the bad one for wondering where did you get your numbers? Obviously all this could be avoided if you’d post a source.

@Poppytroll you’re very welcome. My heart goes out to you, I did exactly the same after my first dose. I can’t bare the idea of going through it again after a second. Definitely step away from these threads there’s nothing that’s going to make you feel better. Try and think about it in terms of you have a plan, if you have any niggles at all you’ll push for tests but in the meantime worrying is only going to raise your stress levels and be detrimental to your wellbeing and remind yourself of that every time you start worrying.

[quote Tryingtryingandtrying]@emma2021 where did you get this info from?
Am I reading it right, re number of fatalities?

Thanks
Been reading and the 50 to 59 appears to be at a big risk but the youngsters are at most as only a small number of them have had the jabs when compared with th 50+ group
Age range (years)Number of reportsNumber of fatal reports
18-29246
30-39318
40-49387
50-596815
60-69368
70-79254
80-8951
90-9910
Unknown140[/quote]
@Tryingtryingandtrying I attach a screenshot of the relevant figures in a more legible format that that posted above. If you Google coronavirus yellow card data, or similar, you will find this data on the gov.uk website (and a lot more data besides). It may seem strange that the MHRA are “hiding” data by putting it on a public website, but I guess that just shows how sneaky they are...

Thank you, I really can't believe this

A thought regarding second doses: at the moment it’s 6 in about 6 million.

Now we have to take that with a pinch of salt, because second doses of AZ only started about a month ago (I believe) so only some potential VITT cases will have emerged.

However what is the normal population occurrence of CVST with low platelets? If it’s around 1 in a million, and the rate for second dose incidents continues to be similar (rather than spiking once the number of people beyond three weeks since vaccination rises), then it’s much less of a worry.

My second dose is next week so won’t have a chance to wait and see!!

Thank you all - a bit more info in detail
from gov site

re others vaccines and clots
etc.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-blood-clotting-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-blood-clotting-following-covid-19-vaccination

Thanks @Emma2021