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AZ Clots = LATEST From MHRA

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Emma2021 · 28/04/2021 20:31

With a lot of talk re clots, and those worried re first jab and possibly many worried re second AZ jabs, the 'Yellow Card' scheme by MHRA
releases details every so often the last lot were on 23 April 2012.

Next lot due tomorrow I think

Read link re first jab clots and 1 for second jab and more and how many people/doses accounted for those clots.

I'm hoping that on the next update possibly tomorrow, there will be great news re second dose of AZ and clots.

I'm also hoping our NHS to udate re treatments, better treatment for these clots.

The link details 23 April re AZ and Pifer side affects & same link will give you access to updates hopefully tomorrow

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

Please feel free to thank me.

PS. There is nothing wrong with wanting honest, accurate, speedy info re vaccines and and side affects as then you can make a more informed decision. FYI i got my second a few days ago was and am worried but on balance of risk as it stands today, I'd get it/vaccine again and I'm over 50 years of age.

Thanks

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thegcatsmother · 03/05/2021 12:14

Had my second AZ yesterday, as did dh and ds (25). I have low platelets anyway, but think the risk of COVID is worse than the risk of the vaccine. After all, I took the pill for 12 years, and that has a higher risk of bold clots.

whataballbag · 03/05/2021 12:16

@thegcatsmother

Are you having any side effects? I was really ropey after first vacc

Whichjab · 03/05/2021 12:25

@thegcatsmother

Pill blood clots are not comparable

herecomesthsun · 03/05/2021 13:22

Indeed, the risk of blood clots with the pill is higher.

poppycat10 · 03/05/2021 13:45

The blood clots with the Pill are different. However, the overall risk may be similar, as some women take the Pill (and HRT) for decades.

Roonerspismed · 03/05/2021 13:48

For the billionth time, clots related to this vaccine are NOT the same as those relates to the pill

We are long overdue an announcement on the latest position

herecomesthsun · 03/05/2021 14:18

Helpful comparison of some risks from the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56665396

thegcatsmother · 03/05/2021 18:33

I was ropey after the first jab, as was ds, but dh was fine. I am tired after the second one, with a sore arm, and a bit of a headache, but that may also be that I am dehydrated, and that my eyes are tired after squinting at spreadsheets all week in the office.

thegcatsmother · 03/05/2021 18:35

Why are the clots not comparable? A blood clot is a blood clot, especially when you have a platelet count just on the right side of safe as I do.

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Emma2021 · 06/05/2021 12:39

Why the delay in releasing the weekly figures?

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bookworm1632 · 06/05/2021 12:56

@Roonerspismed

For the billionth time, clots related to this vaccine are NOT the same as those relates to the pill

We are long overdue an announcement on the latest position

For the billionth time, the overall risk from the pill is HIGHER.

The clots caused by the pill are about 19x LESS likely to kill you, but they are about 100x MORE likely to occur.

In short, you're roughly 5x more likely to die from the pill.

The only reason this isn't a big issue? It's because it's STILL a very very low risk.

Rainbowsandstorms · 06/05/2021 13:07

@Emma2021 the data wasn’t released until about 4pm last Thursday.

MrsFezziwig · 06/05/2021 13:07

@Emma2021

Why the delay in releasing the weekly figures?

Because there’s a conspiracy? Presumably that’s what you want us to say?

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Emma2021 · 06/05/2021 13:14

@Rainbowsandstorms

Many thanks, appreciated.

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Roonerspismed · 06/05/2021 13:39

Well people can choose to take the pill. Thousands of us don’t - not just because of cloys but numerous other issues with it

And how many women die of pill clots rather than have them treated?

And leaving that aside, just because one crappy medicine is risky that I choose not to take , why should I not be told about the risks of another?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 06/05/2021 14:23

And leaving that aside, just because one crappy medicine is risky that I choose not to take , why should I not be told about the risks of another?

I love the way that just because you don't want to take a certain medicine it suddenly becomes a 'crappy medicine'! Never mind that it helps a lot of women.

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Emma2021 · 06/05/2021 14:31

@Roonerspismed

Well people can choose to take the pill. Thousands of us don’t - not just because of cloys but numerous other issues with it

And how many women die of pill clots rather than have them treated?

And leaving that aside, just because one crappy medicine is risky that I choose not to take , why should I not be told about the risks of another?

Quote ", why should I not be told about the risks of another?"

I agree, we need to know the truth. MHRA delayed the clots connection for too long due to their inability to understand what was going on even when several other, first world countries was telling them it was happening.

I am worried but on balance IMHO it is wise for me to take the jabs and have done but there will be others out there at greater risk and they should be offered other types and not just the under 30's which may soon be under 40's.

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Ilovecrumpets · 06/05/2021 15:04

The MHRA did not delay the clots due to their inability to understand. See this interesting article here on the clots and their discovery in the U.K.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-doctor-marie-scully-blood-clotting-link-astrazeneca-covid-jab-university-college-london-hospital

It’s perfectly fine to have concerns as an individual about the risk and not want to take the AZ vaccine. That is your choice. Just because you disagree with them does not mean the MHRA are incompetent.

Rainbowsandstorms · 06/05/2021 15:11

@Emma2021 the data is now available.

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Emma2021 · 06/05/2021 15:47

@Rainbowsandstorms
Thanks
Been reading and the 50 to 59 appears to be at a big risk but the youngsters are at most as only a small number of them have had the jabs when compared with th 50+ group
Age range (years) Number of reports Number of fatal reports
18-29 24 6
30-39 31 8
40-49 38 7
50-59 68 15
60-69 36 8
70-79 25 4
80-89 5 1
90-99 1 0
Unknown 14 0

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Rainbowsandstorms · 06/05/2021 16:24

@Emma2021 I think it’ll take a little while for the data for the 40s to filter through as the data is already a week behind and the at risk period is up to 4 weeks, though most clots occur before this so given they only started mass vaccinating the 40s very recently it’ll take a while for the clots to occur and then be diagnosed and reported too.

Poppytroll · 06/05/2021 16:47

Do we know when most clots happen after the jab? I had my second a week ago and the anxiety from this is crippling me.

Rainbowsandstorms · 06/05/2021 21:08

@Poppytroll I completely sympathise, I felt horribly anxious after I had mine. However I did find that my anxiety reduced as I got past the first couple of weeks. Officially they say to be aware of potential symptoms for four weeks however after I’d had mine it was believed that most occurred before the 21 day mark but I’m not sure if the data has changed as cases have increased. I know how horrible the worry is but make sure you know what you need to look out for and then try and step away from google and social media and forget about it as much as you possibly can, as other than taking action if you get any symptoms there isn’t anything else you can do. Try and remember that although it’s a worry the odds of it effecting you are still very small and we are now aware of this rare side effect which means you are safer than you would have been had you had it a few months ago when no one knew what they were looking out for or the best treatment. Hopefully in another few weeks you’ll have lots of antibodies and will be much more protected from covid, try and focus on why you had the vaccination as it’s so easy to loose sight of that among all the worry.

Rainbowsandstorms · 06/05/2021 21:13

@Poppytroll I’ve just realised you said you’ve just had your second. Although there isn’t much data re second jabs it does appear that the risk is lower. I found the attached quite reassuring regarding second doses and will be following his account closely while I’m awaiting my second dose as he seems well qualified to provide a view regarding the risks associated with the second dose.

PlanDeRaccordement · 06/05/2021 21:20

@thegcatsmother

Why are the clots not comparable? A blood clot is a blood clot, especially when you have a platelet count just on the right side of safe as I do.

Because the pill caused blood clots typically affect the legs, and are easily treated and a much lower fatality rate. The vaccine blood clots are on the brain, not easily treated and a much higher fatality rate.

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