Worried.....I have my AZ 1st jab tomorrow

[Lou2284]

Hi I'm 36 and have my first jab booked tomorrow. It's the AZ. I'm really worried. I think I'm going to refuse it. I can imagine afterwards I'd be in a state of worry and am thinking it's not worth it. What are you're opinions ? Would you have the AZ ?

@Temp023 you are so rude! Some people are worried about it. Why do you think there are so many threads about it. Im really pleased your so confident about it. But dont ridicule another posters who are worried. If that number which has been posted on another threads is not correct then please let me know and i will gladly stop worrying and book in

Stop bickering and accept some are worried and some are not.

This site is really a hellhole sometimes. So much judging and nastiness and frankly bullying behaviour. People are allowed to be worried about the AZ vaccine, it doesn't automatically turn you into an anti vaxxer. Would be great if vaccines came with a dose of empathy so that some of you could develop some.

@Walkaround

Also, when comparing relative benefits and risks of the AZ vaccine versus risks from covid in each age group, depending on levels of infection in the community, it’s worth remembering the EU charts relate to EU data. UK data on deaths from covid indicates that you are more likely to die of covid here if you get it than most other EU countries, so probably better not to rely on data that is not actually accurate for your country when deciding when the benefits to you personally are no longer obvious enough for you to take a tiny risk.

Er no, you are mistaken. The EMA charts I posted were built using data from the ECDC to which the U.K. still reports Covid deaths so the chart I posted is based on Covid death data from 196 countries. It’s not based on just the EU. www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/data-collection

Secondly, the EMA charts data on AZ blood clots is taken from AZs monthly adverse reaction report which covers ALL their doses EVERYWHERE not just doses given in the EU. It is required as part of their RMP (Risk Management Plan) which they have to abide by to keep having authorisation for use in the EU. The EMA charts also used data from any/all ongoing clinical trials and scientific studies as well as the AZ reports.

www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-publishes-safety-monitoring-plan-guidance-risk-management-planning-covid-19-vaccines

Are you going to get it? Don't be worried. The benefits outweigh the risks.

Have you been largely unconcerned about covid? In which case do you not perceive much risk from Covid given your age health and relative youth? If you've been terrified of covid then ywbvvu not to have the jab.

@Temp023

Oh ffs , a 1 in 50,000 chance! Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

It’s actually an accurate rounding for the younger age groups. See the EMA chart I posted. As of 23 April, risk of developing blood clot after 1st AZ dose is:

20-29 1.9 in 100,000, or 0.95 in 50,000
30-39. 1.8 in 100,000, or 0.90 in 50,000
40-49. 2.1 in 100,000, or 1.05 in 50,000

Posting the chart again....

I'm 42, had it last week felt a bit shitty, took some paracetamol, felt better. Happy to have some protection. Clots are vanishingly rare.

@Temp023

Oh ffs , a 1 in 50,000 chance! Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

@Temp023 It’s far from ridiculous. It is actually an accurate rounding of the risk for the younger age groups. See the EMA chart I posted. As of 23 April, risk of developing blood clot after 1st AZ dose is:

20-29 1.9 in 100,000, or 0.95 in 50,000
30-39. 1.8 in 100,000, or 0.90 in 50,000
40-49. 2.1 in 100,000, or 1.05 in 50,000

Posting the chart again....

Oh sorry not sure why it posted twice! Apologies.

I’ve had it and it was fine! It feels great!

@PlanDeRaccordement I don't know how it can say it will prevent zero deaths when younger people have died from it (sadly i know a couple myself) it's usual but it's not impossible. Furthermore this chart does not take into account the impact of long covid which can leave you fatigued for months, impact your overall health and even fertility.

I am diabetic, with heart condition and blood thinners to hopefully prevent strokes and clotting.
Had my 1st AZ in February and have just been contacted to have my 2nd on 1st May.
After the first one I was very tired all day but that was the only effect that it had.
I am late 50s if that makes any difference to you.

You can keep posting the chart all you like. The risk still stays ridiculously low. The chart doesn’t take in to account long Covid. Or what happens when cases rise again when we come out of lockdown. Or protecting those around you and having piece of mind.

There was a program on BBC radio 5 this morning about long covid. A doctor in tears as a year later he can’t play with his children.

I’m so grateful to have had the jab.

@PlanDeRaccordement - reporting from 196 countries just makes your chart even further from accurate for the UK, then, as we had some of the worst death rates in the entire world, so 196 will be watering it down considerably more, not less, than just using EU countries (as I believe all the other countries at the top of that list are in Europe).

Don’t take it and then leave your slot for others. Stop worrying others.

Some people are just the worried well.

look the risk -at the moment! -of getting covid is low & at the moment, the current mutations in the UK that are relevant, do not affect most young people as severely - although we don't know whether long covid is calculated within these stats (mostly I suspect, because we don't yet have a full figure & analysis of age spread & affect)
We talk about current risk when we have only just come out of lockdown - surely we should plan on future risk when & if it breaks out again. Basically, if covid reoccurs surely its better to be inoculated now rather than trying to do so when infection risk rises?
It will rise among those that won't take precautions (I am not including you amongst that group op) & those who for one reason or another have to mix (work & living arrangements) & those who are unable or are concerned, or downright deniers about getting the vaccine.
Op as others have said - talk to someone in NHS covid advice line, if you are still worried, cancel appointment & if you do cancel please be careful for your own sake as well as others

My 25 year old ds has had AZ, and is fine.

I'd like to know what the incidence of developing a clot whilst taking the pill is in comparison to developing one from the vaccine.

Lou2284.
Did you have it. How are you doing ?

I'd like to know what the incidence of developing a clot whilst taking the pill is in comparison to developing one from the vaccine.

Clots on the pill appear to be much more common. But it's a different kind of clot and far, far less deadly. Also, the pill is only prescribed to people who don't have the risk factors for clots. And the risk factor isn't calculated by including date from a load of people at no risk from the pill. Also, they know what the risk factors are and why the pill causes blood clots. Not really comparable.

This is one graphic about it

@Totalbeach - I agree entirely that comparing the risks to the contraceptive pill is a very poor comparison, anyway, but do you mean data from people at high risk from the pill isn’t included in the risk percentage (as they are told not to take the pill in the first place), not no risk, as anyone who takes the pill has an increased blood clot risk?

It seems to be an unusual autoimmune response, so the risk factors for the pill are not expected to apply. Until all the cases are investigated fully there is a chance that some are actually unrelated to the vaccine and are due to typical blood clot risk factors. Unfortunately, apart from a possible connection with the similar response to heparin, there are not known factors that could identify who might be susceptible.

Hi. HCP here. Had both doses of AZ and absolutely fine (as expected). See it as doing my bit to keep others safe and drive down infection rates. My partner, my elderly parents and all my colleagues have also had both doses of AZ without a single issue.

@PlanDeRaccordement do you have the link for the information published by the EMA? Is it regularly updated and does it include all AZ doses given, therefore giving an accurate picture broken down by age? Do they have any data released on second doses yet? I’m just awaiting the weekly U.K. gov yellow card update and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that the figures for second doses have remained at just one. I wish the U.K. would provide us with details of cases by age too to enable a more informed decision to be made. I’ve had my first dose so I’m really hoping cases after second doses remain rare giving me peace of mind for my second dose.

I work at a mass vaccination centre and I've had both doses of AZ as has everyone else that works there, around 100 people, the majority of whom are under 30.

There's always a doctor on-site to address any concerns and they know what to look out for as well, so clots are mostly treatable.

I spoke to a doctor last week about it and she said it was vanishingly rare.

The images we're seeing of India makes me think that we're nowhere near out of this yet and we need to get everyone vaccinated as soon as possible.

No-one is safe until everyone is safe.