Anti lockdown protests yesterday.

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There is a lot being said on social media but not much in mainstream news which is interesting given how many people seem to have gone to the one in London at least. I understand there were some elsewhere in the country too.

Just curious if anyone took part
and what people think about the protests.

@Terracotta9 I think you’re getting a hard time here but I think I can see why. Whilst your absolutely right that it isn’t your place to tell a Jewish person what is and isn’t acceptable (or mine) offering an assumption as an excuse for why it might be acceptable in certain contexts comes across as defending an image that is simply offensive within its own context.

Basically it isn’t really your action to defend so offering a defense is seen as alignment.

@Terracotta9

I'm Jewish

It's deeply offensive to use yellow stars as a way to whip up anti-lockdown, anti-vaccine protests. I don't know any Jewish person who would, and am making the pretty safe assumption the people in the crowd wearing them aren't themselves Jewish.

People who are happy to go along with this are condoning racism, which imo, is just as bad as being actively anti-semitic

You're not even locked down in England Try living in Scotland. Our rule was stay at home till just over a week ago. The shops are still closed as are restaurants.

We've had it way harder even with much less cases.

Be grateful for what you've got.

@smithyca

A friend of mine attended this March and looking at her photos it was much bigger than the last one, definitely over 10k. I've seen photos of nhs staff at the march in full uniform as well. The coverage on tv isn't showing the true scale of this protest, probably because they don't want others getting ideas.

Much more like to be ppl wearing scrubs as if medical staff. if NHS staff were seen they can be fired for it.

Ppl wearing yellow stars shows the warped mindset and low IQ of those present.

[quote Terracotta9]@toffeebutterpopcorn

Once the march was beyond the main Oxford street shopping area, the rest of it was mostly through empty business districts, with very few locals around to piss off, and no real audience to speak of. My other criticism is that it was miles too long!

But anyway, I’m so local that I didn’t even have to get public transport to get to the march start and end points. Just walked over from my flat.[/quote]
People were congregating - traipsing along Edgware Road and Bayswater road, etc to get there. They didn’t just materialise. And people do live in Holborn.

@hepatocyte

I understand many Jewish people are deeply hurt and offended by the wearing of the star and drawing a comparison between nazi Germany and other political situations - that is why I will never do so myself, in this or any other context. Nor do I condone or support the wearing of stars as a protest visual, as I have stated multiple times already.

you imply that no Jewish person would ever make the comparison between nazi Germany and this situation by wearing a star, but there is a Jewish lady in the Sky video making that exact comparison. So clearly, some Jewish people feel it is an apt comparison.

As a non-Jewish person, I have a duty to call out anti-semitism among my fellow non-Jewish people. I reject the idea that it’s my place, as a non-Jewish person, to police the boundaries of anti-semitism when it comes to what Jewish people say and do.

I’ve already said that if the people who wore the stars are not Jewish, then they deserve every accusation or racism and anti-semitism we can throw at them. I still stand by that.

@vera99

These folk appear to be the main organizers no names to their website. *@savethegrannies* would you like to flesh out the anonymity of these folk and why we should follow/listen to them.

www.standupx.info/

Who We Are

A community of people protesting and standing up for our rights across the UK since May 2020

We welcome all people questioning the mainstream narrative to come meet us, join in discussions, and participate in peaceful rallies.

This page on that site is particularly offensive: www.standupx.info/post/how-to-deal-with-gestapo-church-raids

Anyone who condones or excuses that kind of comparison is a racist.

[quote Terracotta9]@hepatocyte

I understand many Jewish people are deeply hurt and offended by the wearing of the star and drawing a comparison between nazi Germany and other political situations - that is why I will never do so myself, in this or any other context. Nor do I condone or support the wearing of stars as a protest visual, as I have stated multiple times already.

you imply that no Jewish person would ever make the comparison between nazi Germany and this situation by wearing a star, but there is a Jewish lady in the Sky video making that exact comparison. So clearly, some Jewish people feel it is an apt comparison.

As a non-Jewish person, I have a duty to call out anti-semitism among my fellow non-Jewish people. I reject the idea that it’s my place, as a non-Jewish person, to police the boundaries of anti-semitism when it comes to what Jewish people say and do.

I’ve already said that if the people who wore the stars are not Jewish, then they deserve every accusation or racism and anti-semitism we can throw at them. I still stand by that.[/quote]
Nor do I condone or support the wearing of stars as a protest visual, as I have stated multiple times already.

But you do condone it. By defending it, and even suggesting that the people doing it may be Jewish, you are condoning it, and that makes you as bad as an overt anti-Semite.

@terracotta9 If the woman really was Jewish, a minority oddball outlier does not represent the majority - and her denial of the offensive inappropriateness does not make it ok. If one black person wore KKK robes, would you say then it's ok for white people to do the same on a march/protest? (It's obviously not ok, of course).

You are condoning their views and behaviour if you are willing to march with these people. Would you march in the same protest with the KKK?

But that Jewish lady was not wearing a star. You are defending the indefensible @Terracotta9 and I wonder why you can't condemn the wearing of the yellow star without caveats.

Oh slightly crossed post there

I’m not going to say that Jewish people shouldn’t wear a star if they feel that the comparison is apt. It’s not my place to tell them they shouldn’t do this.

That’s not the same as condoning it.

It’s simply an acknowledgement that it’s not my place to tell Jewish people what is anti-Semitic and what isn’t.

@TruelyWonder
The disgusting irony in that Tweet is unbelievable.

Utterly foul.

I would like to hope it is ignorance but no-one is that ignorant of the yellow star meaning.

Also, why is it acceptable to be so racist to Jewish people but not other minorities?
(Not you I mean people in general)

@TruelyWonder

Oh slightly crossed post there

Perhaps it will help them understand if it's pointed out more than once? (sadly I doubt it).

David Baddiel tweeted a picture of a yellow star wearer and just said "take it off". He did not add "unless you are Jewish". Why do you think that is @Terracotta9?

Anyway it is not just the yellow star protesters that have iffy views. There were other protesters there equally iffy in their support of vile organisations. If you marched it is like saying you agree with all because if you don't why would you want to associate with it.

@TruelyWonder

I’ve spoken about the broad demographic attending the protest on this thread already. The march encompassed the whole spectrum of political views, including many disparate groups which are otherwise at odds with each other politically.

[quote StarCat2020]@TruelyWonder
The disgusting irony in that Tweet is unbelievable.

Utterly foul.

I would like to hope it is ignorance but no-one is that ignorant of the yellow star meaning.

Also, why is it acceptable to be so racist to Jewish people but not other minorities?
(Not you I mean people in general)[/quote]
It is ok. I get you don't mean me. David Baddiel is having a promotion of his book on mumsnet. Maybe some of this can get addressed then. The book called Jews don't count sounds like worth a read. It definitely seems people just don't get there is problem.

Sounds like it could be a good read.

I am going to look it up online

What pisses me off more than anything is I believe that the people who we should all be angry at are the elite, those in positions of power and right now our own Government.

I cannot believe that the Government were arguing over £3 a day for school lunches for the children in low income families whilst £37 billion has gone to Dildo Harding.

Another weird thing is that many of those against the Covid restrictions state that the restrictions are ILLEGAL.

In this country Parliament is supreme, as long as due process is followed any law can be enacted.

The fact that the legislation exists means that it is not illegal.

Whether or not it is enforced correctly is another matter.

When I’ve been involved in marches, protests or any other kind of political activity I’ve always been really clear on where my red lines are. The lines I wouldn’t cross no matter how passionate I was about my cause.

‘Are the organisers racist, in bed with racists or enabling racism at these activities’ is a pretty clear one. Because no cause is so important to me that fighting for it means enabling racist activity is ok.

@Terracotta9 the lady in the video you linked to was not wearing a yellow star. Why do you keep suggesting that Jewish people were wearing yellow stars? You have absolutely no evidence for this.

Even if they were, that doesn't make it acceptable or 'their right' to to do so. It would still be offensive and ignorant. Obviously.

@JassyRadlett

When I’ve been involved in marches, protests or any other kind of political activity I’ve always been really clear on where my red lines are. The lines I wouldn’t cross no matter how passionate I was about my cause.

‘Are the organisers racist, in bed with racists or enabling racism at these activities’ is a pretty clear one. Because no cause is so important to me that fighting for it means enabling racist activity is ok.

This.

I'm a seasoned protestor and no way would I join a march with racists/anti-Semites.

Also, if the figureheads for a protest were people like Laurence Fox I'd be fairly sure there'd be people present whose ideals I wouldn't wish to be associated with.

Yes, there can be a lot of overlap when it comes to causes and protests. But there's also a very definite cut-off point. And for me, that would definitely include the sort of people marching on Saturday.

The issue is drawing a comparison between Nazi Germany and the current situation. Yes?

You can make the comparison in words, like the Jewish lady did in the video.

Or you can make the comparison visually, by wearing a star.

You all seem to be very confident that the people wearing yellow stars were definitely not Jewish. If they weren’t Jewish then they must be condemned and I will join you on that.

I, however, am not confident that they definitely weren’t Jewish. The lady in the video makes it clear that not all Jewish people share the same perspective on the comparison. And if the people wearing stars were indeed Jewish, then it’s simply not my place to police this. And I will not.