Alternatives to AstraZeneca vaccine for under 40s “could be considered” amid rise in blood clots

[Whichjab]

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-blood-clots-under-40-b931498.html

This is concerning, especially as there is limited research into combining vaccinations. I feel that the trust in vaccination is being eroded. I have always been pro vacc but feeling much less so atm.
I'm not sure I will get my second jab now.

So why are the EU talking about suing AZ if their vaccine is so bad and they don't want it anyway? Surely you're not saying it's not partly political?

I don't know what to believe anymore but I'm certain there will be an enquiry into who knew what when. I also think the numbers are going to be a lot higher than we currently know.

@AppleJane - do you really think it’s Boris Johnson deciding what age groups should and should not be offered the AZ jab?

It all seems very strange. The EU don't want AZ but are suing, the US don't want AZ but are stockpiling it. There does seem to be some sort of strange agenda.

(I'm not for or against any of the vaccines, I had AZ but would have had any of them so this isn't an AZ are great, the others are bad post)

Personally I'm also struggling with it because I'm originally from one of the countries no longer giving AZ to under 65s. Why should I trust the UK regulators more?

I really feel for you. Its such a head fuck

@Schulte

Errrrm what about the initial ‘we haven’t seen ANY clotting cases in the UK’ statement?

At the time they hadn't. The usual reporting system didn't have any, which is why they specifically asked GPs to look again.

It isn't that hard to understand. It was missed initially, not just here, because we didn't have the same unusual cluster Norway had. Then it was swiftly followed up, changes to guidelines made.

[quote Walkaround]@AppleJane - do you really think it’s Boris Johnson deciding what age groups should and should not be offered the AZ jab?[/quote]
You don't have to answer that because he doesn't!

@Whichjab, as per the Yellow card report, 2.3 million of second dose AZ has been administered as of April 14th, I don’t think that’s tiny.

As of 14 April, an estimated 11.2 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 21.2 million first doses of the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine, had been administered, and around 6.2 million and 2.3 million second doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine respectively. Figures for the number of doses of the Moderna vaccine administered are not yet available

@PinkSparklyPussyCat - What I can believe is that wealthy countries that are stockpiling the AZ vaccine are planning either on offering it to poor countries, or to use it themselves if time runs out and they decide they need to get everyone vaccinated more quickly.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

So why are the EU talking about suing AZ if their vaccine is so bad and they don't want it anyway? Surely you're not saying it's not partly political?

I thought the EU were (allegedly) considering suing AZ because AZ is (allegedly) not fulfilling its side of the deal re delivering a certain number of doses at the agreed time?

@User657849
Does that report show by age group for the AstraZeneca second dose - I couldn't find it on there?

Apologies - chart added by mistake - was for another post

Literally 400,000 of these threads. Just comment on one of them.

I thought the EU were (allegedly) considering suing AZ because AZ is (allegedly) not fulfilling its side of the deal re delivering a certain number of doses at the agreed time?

But they don't want it. There's no point in forcing AZ to deliver something they have no intention of using.

@Walkaround I agree but it seems wrong if the US (for example) has huge stocks of AZ that they aren't planning on using when other countries are desperate.

@YoshimisMum, no, it only shows the paragraph that I inserted in my post.

[quote User657849]@Whichjab, as per the Yellow card report, 2.3 million of second dose AZ has been administered as of April 14th, I don’t think that’s tiny.

As of 14 April, an estimated 11.2 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 21.2 million first doses of the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine, had been administered, and around 6.2 million and 2.3 million second doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine respectively. Figures for the number of doses of the Moderna vaccine administered are not yet available[/quote]
Compared to the 21 million first doses it's a tiny amount, plus the majority are older and thus necessarily comparable.

@Whichjab - why do you play so fast and loose with the notion of a tiny amount?

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I thought the EU were (allegedly) considering suing AZ because AZ is (allegedly) not fulfilling its side of the deal re delivering a certain number of doses at the agreed time?

But they don't want it. There's no point in forcing AZ to deliver something they have no intention of using.

@Walkaround I agree but it seems wrong if the US (for example) has huge stocks of AZ that they aren't planning on using when other countries are desperate.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat - it has already been pointed out to wealthy countries that they are being selfish.

@CuriousaboutSamphire the one in 50,000 is from the latest EMA report published on Friday and is valid for age groups 20-49. Someone posted the link to that report earlier.

Worse. It has been mooted that it is wrong to send inferior medicines to poorer countries. So that may never happen!

So much politicking obscuring actual medicine!

[quote Schulte]@CuriousaboutSamphire the one in 50,000 is from the latest EMA report published on Friday and is valid for age groups 20-49. Someone posted the link to that report earlier.[/quote]
Thanks. I missed that completely. Too busy decorating!

And I would have thought the first clotting cases being reported on the continent would have prompted the MHRA to take a harder look at the UK data. But they were very slow to react. Apparently due to some algorithms they use. There was an article in the FT or Telegraph about it, can’t remember.

[quote Schulte]@CuriousaboutSamphire the one in 50,000 is from the latest EMA report published on Friday and is valid for age groups 20-49. Someone posted the link to that report earlier.[/quote]
If anyone has that link, I can't find it and google isn't helping!

Ta!

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Worse. It has been mooted that it is wrong to send inferior medicines to poorer countries. So that may never happen!

So much politicking obscuring actual medicine!

Actual medicine doesn’t exist in a political vacuum, of course. If I lived in a country that had closed its borders to the outside world, I’d be considerably less keen to have the AZ vaccine than I would be in a country with slack border controls and a track record of high covid deaths.

Yes. I do understand the impact of geography.

That wasn't my point.