Would you vaccinate your child?

[rolloverrosie]

Have just seen a post (in the daily Mail, sorry) suggesting that all over 12s could be offered a vaccine from September. It made mention of the AZ vaccine trials in children above 6 so I am unsure whether this vaccine is one of the ones planned for use?

This was along side the news that the az vaccine carries a 1 in 126000 chance of death.

Bearing in mind that 14 people under 20 have died of Covid.

How is this a sensible risk/benefit analysis?!

I am in my late 30s and when I did the Covid calculator my risk of dying if I caught Covid (which is obviously not a guaranteed thing) is 1 in 145000 so I am assuming the risk for a 12 year old is thousands of times less than that.

Who would vaccinate their children?

OntheBrink1 - No it obviously isn't 'alright' - I doubt anyone thinks that. Just that it's important to get the facts right as they stand atm. That said mortality rates from vaccine induced clots appear higher the younger people are, and the risks of Covid are lower, hence why government has stopped recommending AZ for under 30s. It would be astonishing if they then said it was fine for kids. Maybe the balance isn't the same for the MRNA vaccines.

People do know the flu jab isn't offered to the whole population right?
Children are much more likely to die of flu than coronavirus and the vaccine has been in use for years with no obvious sever side effects.

Effectively a lot of people on here saying "yes, although their risk of dying of the vaccine is greater than their risk of dying of coronavirus, I would vaccinate them". That's insane to me. And long Covid? How many children have long Covid? What about other nasty conditions with long term side effects such as glandular fever? How many of you have paid for the chicken pox vaccine? Because that's more deadly to children than coronavirus.

What a world we are living in. There are no long term studies done on the effects of this virus. Vaccinating consenting adults is one thing but growing children?

yes we were keen to pay for the chickenpox vaccine, horrible disease.

I'd only do it if the following happened:

Vaccinated would mean 'normal' school, not the new normal, no distancing, lots of mixing etc etc

Vaccinated would mean no more isolation in the event of contact with a case.

I'm sure I can dream on. Otherwise, I'm not putting my children through it if there's no benefit to them.

Yes. Absolutely.

Although the risk of dying from Covid19 is very low for children, their risks of developing Long Covid appear to be similar to adults - about 1 in 10. It is estimated that there are several thosand of children with Long Covid, some who have been ill for nearly a year. See www.longcovidkids.org/

The impact of Long Covid, like CFS, is massive on a child, and their family.

@savethegrannies

Highly unethical and I'm gobsmacked anybody would go along with this given the risk level is so low for young children as to be virtually non-existent; and that this vaccine only has emergency use authorisation; and the stats about side effects are still coming in. Jesus.

This.
I'm positively not an anti-vaxxer . I'm absolutely disgusted this is quietly being crowbarred into the vaccine programme.
But it doesn't surprise me.

Absolutely yes

Yes I would. Although my children are younger and I desperate for them to have it, in part because DH is EVC. Long covid effects children as well as adults and covid is triggering diabetes in children.

@JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown

Yes, I would without a doubt. It's not just about immediate risk to my child. It's risk of passing on to others, including more vulnerable children and adults, including those who can't be vaccinated. It's because their risk will rise as they get older. It's because some of the new variants seem to hit younger people harder. Vaccines have saved millions of lives and will continue to do so. Anything about vaccines does tend to result in a bunfight but I do find it incredibly selfish of otherwise healthy people not to get vaccinated.

Funny, I find it incredibly selfish and ignorant of people to think it's any of their business whether or not anyone else undergoes a medical procedure. Presumably you're anti-car/alcohol/fast food etc etc, given lots of people die or are adversely affected as a result of these things?

Yes!

No. My young child has had covid (very mild symptoms, she's had worse colds) and even if she hadn't, the risks of the disease to her is so minute. Once we have 15 years of vaccine data, maybe. I've had the vaccine myself (AZ, in my 30s).

People do know the flu jab isn't offered to the whole population right?

An odd point to make given that children receive the flu jab.

More recent figures on Long Covid in children, following my earlier post:

7-8% still have symptoms 12 weeks after infection

twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1385233760543678480?s=19

@wasthataburp I'd be interested to see your link on the Pfizer article you mentioned to @HazeyJaneII ?

@Lostinacloud Is this current from Pfizer?? The tweet you've sent to @MintyMabel says that was initial guidance which has since been updated. 90,000 pregnant women in the states alone have already been vaccinated and they have data on all of those, with no sign of adverse effects linked to the vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine is now being offered to pregnant women in the UK on the basis of animal trials and real world useage data in the absence of formal trials.

There was a really good webinar organised by Stella Creasy this week with various experts on what is and isn't known about vaccines and covid relating to fertility, pregnancy and breastfeeding, that might put to bed some of the scaremongering, I thought it was really informative.

fb.watch/52vi-ggP3K/

1 in 10 adults have Long Covid

twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1377585071595511811?s=19

the risk level is so low for young children as to be virtually non-existent

Tell that to over 1000 recently bereaved Indian couples. And no, these are not necessarily poor and therefore different to your child.

"do you have elderly vulnerable people in your family? Vaccines cannot protect them all. Would you like your kids to give them covid?"

Risk your child's life to save an old and vulnerable relative? Who has been vaccinated themselves? Jesus

@happyfooot

I said in a previous post they are coming for your kids next. Shame on any parent who willingly allows their child to take part in an experimental trial of a vaccine. Nothing is approved yet! Absolutely disputable parents!

If no one consented to their child being in a trial then no vaccine or medication would ever be approved because it won’t have been trialed on children.

DS was signed up for the current children's trial. Unfortunately he contracted covid 2 days before he was due to start the trial

COVID is literally less risky than the vaccine for that age group, that’s why. It just doesn’t make sense. Why would you introduce a risky intervention for children?

We literally do not know the risk profile for each of the literally numerous potential vaccines for each age group under 18, so it literally not possible to make that sort of statement at this point.

"If COVID continues to circulate in a large proportion of the population who are unvaccinated, the virus will gain further mutations. Each new infection provides a new opportunity for mistakes to be made when the genetic code is copied, meaning a higher the caseload = a faster rate of mutation. This can lead to the emergence of new strains, which may evade natural or vaccine-induce protection that was acquired from older strains. So that is one argument as to why it would be beneficial to vaccinate under 18s."

But this could happen with many viruses circulating within the population. Including the many other coronaviruses already endemic and killing thousands of very vulnerable people each year. Viruses don't tend to mutate to be more deadly. They tend to become weaker. This is as immune systems become more primed to tackle them and because if a virus is extremely deadly, the host is usually, you know, dead. And therefore not out spreading it about.

That's your view of what could happen in terms of mutations. Or actually, that's your hope.

Scientists the world over don't appear to want to take the chance with billions of lives though.

[quote colouringindoors]More recent figures on Long Covid in children, following my earlier post:

7-8% still have symptoms 12 weeks after infection

twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1385233760543678480?s=19[/quote]
“Symptoms” that could be simply a lingering cough or some tiredness - both quite common after lots of viruses. The whole ‘long covid’ thing is going to need to be broken down better to distinguish between those with lingering mild symptoms abc those with potentially life changing complications.

@noisasentence

People do know the flu jab isn't offered to the whole population right?

An odd point to make given that children receive the flu jab.

Not odd at all when it's in response to "we need to vaccinate the whole population including children otherwise they may spread it to x y and z. They have the flu jab to protect old people"

1000 time's NO!!!!