Four deaths today

[StealthPolarBear]

Sad and awful for them and their families.
Good in terms of overall trend.who would have thought we'd get here when we were at 2000 deaths per day? Thanks to everyone who made this happen.

I do recall one poster talking about the QLD vaccine as the best.

It would be that x 1000

@Bluntness100 - I so agree with you about the number of MN posters who know the 32 people!

I realised there were absolute liars on here last year when the statistics just didn’t tally with posters’ experiences. I remember one poster saying that she had lost ten colleagues in a school!! Funny how such a terrible event failed to be reported anywhere at all...

@Bluntness100

I wonder if any of those too scared so deciding they don’t want vaccinated will look at the hospitalisation numbers and realise the greater risk is Covid and change their minds,

Yes, I can just imagine that. A person has a serious phobia of vaccines so decides not to have it. Or somebody is young and chooses of their own free will - thankfully we have that here in the UK - that they don't want a vaccine for an illness which will barely touch them. But then ... they look at the hospital figures and change their mind! Erm, please stop spouting bollocks @Bluntness100 it's tiresome

Seems a lot of people know somebody who was vaccinated but subsequently fell ill. Reminds me of the countless Mumsnetters who seem to know numerous perfectly fit and healthy people under the age of 50 who have died of Covid!

I’m not convinced the media misinformation is through malice as much as lazy journalism and the people writing the articles not necessarily understanding the stats themselves. And we have seen some hilarious (if it werent' so scary) examples of that over the last year - follow Robert Peston's outpourings for some excellent examples of journalist believing his own by-line!

I used to think he was one of the more principled journos. So he has been an extreme disappointment since I saw him arguing a muddled understanding of epidemiology, with an eminent epidemiologist! He was incapable of listening and so kept repeating his misunderstanding, a little bit more loudly and angrily each time!

I don’t think it’s a particular surprise that this forum is having a particular problem with vaccine hesitancy.

An awful lot of stuff has been left to stand on here that should have been deleted but ‘encourages discussion’ or doesn’t want to be seen to be silencing one side of the debate.

I can see why if you are in your 30s/early 40s you might turn down an AZ vaccine for a disease that:
Has an average death rate higher than the average life expectancy
Has killed a very small number of people under the age of 50 with no underlying health conditions
Is no worse than flu and we don’t all lose our heads about that
Has only killed people that were going to die anyway
Has a high false positive rate on inaccurate tests
Probably didn’t kill most of the people who are counted as dying from it because they died with it not from it
Has a body of scientists saying we should just protect the vulnerable and let everyone else just get on with it who are being silenced.

A large part of the problem with vaccine uptake isn’t going to be anti vaxxers. It’s going to be the people who’ve been down playing the severity of Covid in 39-50 year olds with no underlying conditions and labelling people trying to correct those myths as doom mongerers or dementors or scare mongerers. And that includes the CMO and chief scientist being labelled as doom mongerers.

And that’s before we get into the very real psychological problem of doing something instinctively feeling risky than doing nothing. Even if the stats tell you that getting the vaccine is less risky than getting covid.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

I don’t think it’s a particular surprise that this forum is having a particular problem with vaccine hesitancy.

An awful lot of stuff has been left to stand on here that should have been deleted but ‘encourages discussion’ or doesn’t want to be seen to be silencing one side of the debate.

I can see why if you are in your 30s/early 40s you might turn down an AZ vaccine for a disease that:
Has an average death rate higher than the average life expectancy
Has killed a very small number of people under the age of 50 with no underlying health conditions
Is no worse than flu and we don’t all lose our heads about that
Has only killed people that were going to die anyway
Has a high false positive rate on inaccurate tests
Probably didn’t kill most of the people who are counted as dying from it because they died with it not from it
Has a body of scientists saying we should just protect the vulnerable and let everyone else just get on with it who are being silenced.

A large part of the problem with vaccine uptake isn’t going to be anti vaxxers. It’s going to be the people who’ve been down playing the severity of Covid in 39-50 year olds with no underlying conditions and labelling people trying to correct those myths as doom mongerers or dementors or scare mongerers. And that includes the CMO and chief scientist being labelled as doom mongerers.

And that’s before we get into the very real psychological problem of doing something instinctively feeling risky than doing nothing. Even if the stats tell you that getting the vaccine is less risky than getting covid.

Yes I don’t read them but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a large crossover with posters on the AD threads

Plenty of people on the AD threads have had the vaccine.

Nice try at a tactic from the Boris playbook though.

Yes I don’t read them but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a large crossover with posters on the AD threads

You dont read them yet you know whats discussed there.
Have you contacted MI5 with your particular superpower. Im sure you would definately be headhunted.

@MercyBooth

Yes I don’t read them but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a large crossover with posters on the AD threads

You dont read them yet you know whats discussed there.
Have you contacted MI5 with your particular superpower. Im sure you would definately be headhunted.

Lol you’re a laugh.

I’m not interested enough to read them but generally yes there does seem a crossover for a mindset of not wanting restrictions and also vaccine reluctance

Maybe none of these posters are on those threads I don’t really care. If it makes you feel defensive and post aggressively that’s on you.

I think you are the one on the defensive because you have made a fool of yourself.

Haha yes I’m very upset at this whole interaction

Laughing at same time

Ok lets try it. I dont read the parenting threads but i know whats discussed there. Sound reasonable?

Can you not even guess what people might say on a parenting thread? Bfding v bottle no clue how that would go?

It’s not like we didn’t get enough posters going on about anti dementor stuff on main boards. The general gist isn’t hidden.

I said I wouldn’t be surprised. If none of the posters are on the declining vaccine thread and AD threads then I’ll be surprised won’t I?

If there’s no crossover, then there’s not.

I honestly and truly do know one of the 32. A friend's father, hospitalised with Covid in February after having the Pfizer. Thankfully he recovered well and was out of hospital after a week or so - they believe that the vaccine probably saved him, as he does have underlying health issues.

On the other hand, the fact that I know one of the 32 does makes me question that figure - just a tiny bit.

Should say that friend's dad had had his vaccination about three weeks before being hospitalised, but I can't be sure that it was exactly/later than three weeks. So perhaps he doesn't count.

@savethegrannies

Seems a lot of people know somebody who was vaccinated but subsequently fell ill. Reminds me of the countless Mumsnetters who seem to know numerous perfectly fit and healthy people under the age of 50 who have died of Covid!

And don't forget that everyone and their dog on here had covid before the earliest medically confirmed case.

I don't know what it is about the demographic of a large section of posters but it's amazing how at odds they are with the rest of the population.

Maybe it’s both doses? Unless @JanetheObscure be had had both doses by Feb?
Maybe he caught Covid two weeks after the jab (so not much immunity yet) then symptoms kicked in a week later? I think hospitalisation three weeks after the jab means he actually caught it before the three week time frame? Not splitting hairs but I do think the three full weeks before immunity kicks in is important.

You're probably right, Delatron. He may well not be one of the 32.

And that includes the CMO and chief scientist being labelled as doom mongerers.

To be fair the CMO claiming 4k deaths by last Christmas has probably damaged the public's trust.

I don’t know whether the media are responsible for this one or it’s the poster who posted it who made the mistake.

This is a study looking at 74,000 ish of the people admitted to hospital between Sept & March which found that only 32 had been vaccinated more than 3 weeks ago. It’s not that only 32 people in the entire country were admitted to hospital and had been vaccinated. The actual number of people admitted across the whole of that period is measured in 100s of thousands so there’s probably a scaling up of the number of vaccinated people too. Which would explain why the more than 32 MNers know somebody vaccinated who’s been hospitalised with Covid.

Even if you only take the numbers from mid Jan to the start of March, which is the shortest possible time that people could have been vaccinated + 3 weeks and the possible end of the study I reckon at least 100,000 have been admitted and the study can’t possibly be looking at all,covid admissions.

Sorry Bluntness100 it wasn’t you it’s the Daily Telegraph pulling their usual bullshit, I think.

I think they were the only place running this story when I googled this morning. There’s a few other places now, but they are attributing their stories to the DT.

Just 32 vaccinated people were hospitalised with Covid-19 in recent months, according to “extraordinary” real world data

The figure represents a tiny fraction of the more than 74,000 people admitted to hospital with the virus during the time period examined in the study.

The research on Covid-19 patients admitted to UK hospitals examined the outcomes for all patients – including those who had received at least one jab, and had sufficient time to build immunity. Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.

Those sentences aren’t lazy, they are dishonest IMO and designed to make you think only 32 have been admitted across the entire country.