Four deaths today

[StealthPolarBear]

Sad and awful for them and their families.
Good in terms of overall trend.who would have thought we'd get here when we were at 2000 deaths per day? Thanks to everyone who made this happen.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-in-scotland-shielding-cancer-patient-caught-virus-in-dystopian-hospital-ward-0dc28dvcv

The poor man in the article below was only 43.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-56117197.amp

www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20201007/psychiatric-inpatients-at-increased-risk-for-covid19-infection-death

I've always felt sorry for those families on the day that the figures are low - that others are celebrating, and they have had their lives shattered. RIP.

@Delatron

Think cancer deaths will be rising now for years to come unfortunately. Many missed diagnoses.

And no it’s not a ‘death off’ but we do need to get some perspective here.

That's one reason why my (seemingly unpopular on MN) preference was for a Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Vietnam, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan approach. There's temporarily no foreign holidays, but equally there's no diagnosis or treatment delays in those countries.

@BlueTiles

I've always felt sorry for those families on the day that the figures are low - that others are celebrating, and they have had their lives shattered. RIP.

If you prefer you can see it as I am celebrating the 96 people that didn't die, since we were at 100 per day.

High time death was banned altogether.

One final push for just a few more months and death will be eradicated

@canary1 so true. My heart breaks when I think of all the people who've taken their lives over lockdown. I know many people who've had covid, they've recovered and are absolutely fine, but Jesus, I don't think the MH side of things will disappear as quickly. It's been scary to witness
.

@DirtyDancing

4 too many. 4 more families broken in grief

Death comes to all. We appear to have forgotten that in our society. Keeping people alive at all costs is quite sad really...end stage dementia, you wouldn't allow a dog to suffer. How many of those 4 were dying but also had covid!

@StealthPolarBear

One final push for just a few more months and death will be eradicated

🤔🤣 is it wrong to laugh.... Funny though

GiveMeTulips
Death comes to us all but we don't have to let it be a painful, frightening, or isolated death. You want to hasten the end for dementia patients? Do the compassionate humane thing and offer assisted suicide. A painless pill, not struggling to breathe from covid.

Not that we know the age or previous health status of today's sad covid losses.

@DirtyDancing

4 too many. 4 more families broken in grief

While yet its awful for them... 1500 people on average die every day in the uk

@GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam it's really interesting... I was talking with friend the other day... at what point do we stop trying to extend life....life expectancy has gone up 50 years in the last 100 years.. there is no way our world can sustain expectancy getting much higher... yet we seem to spend so much time and money on extending every life as long as possible in a world that is already massively over populated.

When Covid runs loose, deaths by all causes increase. If we didn’t do the process of locking down, illness of staff and hesitancy of customers would still temporarily close many businesses. An overrun Nhs hugely increases the number of Covid deaths (look at Brazil) but it also means the nhs can’t treat other illnesses. So deaths by other illnesses increase.

No lockdown would exacerbate deaths by other causes as well as deaths by Covid. Late lockdowns have already exacerbated it.

It’s tragic for every life lost or shortened by this pandemic whether directly by Covid or other illnesses.

Playing some kind of top trumps on here helps no one.

@Tealightsandd

GiveMeTulips Death comes to us all but we don't have to let it be a painful, frightening, or isolated death. You want to hasten the end for dementia patients? Do the compassionate humane thing and offer assisted suicide. A painless pill, not struggling to breathe from covid.

Not that we know the age or previous health status of today's sad covid losses.

Dementia patients cannot give informed consent. Bad idea.

@Delatron

Think cancer deaths will be rising now for years to come unfortunately. Many missed diagnoses.

And no it’s not a ‘death off’ but we do need to get some perspective here.

It's pleasing to know, though, that cancer isn't contagious.

Dementia patients arent the only ones who cant give informed consent @TheClaws

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-care-home-resident-held-23937350

Scots care home resident ‘held down and vaccinated against her will’ as two workers suspended
The Care Inspectorate warned that unless there is marked improvement at Millport Care Centre it will cancel the home’s registration.

@MercyBooth

Dementia patients arent the only ones who cant give informed consent *@TheClaws*

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-care-home-resident-held-23937350

Scots care home resident ‘held down and vaccinated against her will’ as two workers suspended
The Care Inspectorate warned that unless there is marked improvement at Millport Care Centre it will cancel the home’s registration.

This article is completely irrevelant to the thread topic, MercyBooth. The woman is question was in her 50s with a learning or physical disability and yes, may not have given her consent to the vaccination. But it's not relevant.

This article is completely irrevelant to the thread topic,MercyBooth. The woman is question was in her 50s with a learning or physical disability and yes, may not have given her consent to the vaccination. But it's not relevant.

Because the article of about vaccinations, Bonnie. That's why it isn't relevant to this particular thread - not because it isn't important.

*is

[quote Chatterbox1987]@GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam it's really interesting... I was talking with friend the other day... at what point do we stop trying to extend life....life expectancy has gone up 50 years in the last 100 years.. there is no way our world can sustain expectancy getting much higher... yet we seem to spend so much time and money on extending every life as long as possible in a world that is already massively over populated.[/quote]
The huge jump in life expectancy (don't know if your exact figure is correct) was mainly driven by reducing infant deaths.

It’s huge testament to the vaccine program, nearly 1.7 million people tested two days ago and less than three thousand positive from that yesterday , 179 hospitalised, a massive decrease, and it must be due to the demographics of those people and the treatments doctors now have that deaths are so low.

Compare it to flu, where even with a vaccine program, an average of 60 people die each day in the Uk, which is the core number and nearly two hundred a day die “from or with flu” ( Covid numbers are both from Covid and with Covid Ie the patient died with something else as the lead cause) then you can see how far we have come. Long may it last.

Because the article of aboutvaccinations,Bonnie. That's why it isn't relevant to this particular thread - not because it isn't important.

People are allowed to post what they want

It's very low which is a great trend. Horrible for the families effected. I wish they would have started the quarantine from India with immediate effect rather than give people till Friday. I hope it doesn't cause a major uptick.

Bluntness yet the PM says the fall in rates is all about lockdown and nothing to do with vaccine. I really don't understand that, and if he's bending the truth I don't see how it benefits him. But I do agree with you, how can it not be when the majority of our over 80s had their first dose months ago now.
Have we ever had numbers this low?