Four deaths today

[StealthPolarBear]

Sad and awful for them and their families.
Good in terms of overall trend.who would have thought we'd get here when we were at 2000 deaths per day? Thanks to everyone who made this happen.

We could talk that round and round. But such things will have a great effect on the eventual death tolls, there are already some intermediate analyses that show these, and many others.

@Tealightsandd

They're happy with the situation in Australia. They're very grateful it's not like it is here in the UK, where the economy has taken a huge hit as well as all the deaths, long covid, and NHS backlog. They know no way is perfect during a pandemic but their way is definitely the better of the two choices.

Do you speak for the entirety of the Australian population?

@Floweree I made clear in several posts yesterday that I'm speaking only for my family. Although I know that polls have indicated the majority feel the same as them.

As an Australian, I agree with Tealightsandd. We do live a relatively normal life ATM. No masks, even in hospitals. Events can proceed as per normal with some caveats - so we have sport, weddings, funerals, music, theatre, etc. University is still largely online though for lectures, though smaller tutorials are face-to-face. My DH is primarily back at his desk at work, not home.

Now, I am aware that as soon as we open our borders things may change. However, i hope we'll be far enough ahead in the vaccination programme that it won't be too much of a hit.

@TheClaws
As well as the vaccine, fingers crossed there'll also be home treatments for covid in the not too distance future. Trials have been promising so far. When you open up (fully vaccinated and potentially with home treatments available) it will be to a much reduced risk. I've just been speaking to my family in Australia. I'd love to see them again but I know I need to wait until it's safer to travel.

I hope it will be soon for you. My neighbours' daughter was just repatriated home from England but it was expensive and, of course, she needed to isolate for two weeks at this end before she could see anyone. But she's home.

Goodness me @Tealightsandd have you found yet another thread to spout your rote about shutting international borders and 1m people with debilitating long covid (which you have repeatedly been told is incorrect but refuse to listen to)? Same posting on every single thread. Give it a rest.

Folks, this one is an troll, their agenda is to stop travel for climate change reasons and they are happy to misappropriate covid as a reason to advance their cause. Disgusting.

@Flyornofly

Where's the troll?

I totally agree with Tealight - and I think they are 'spouting' basic common sense. The reason for posts on different threads is no doubt because they are fed up with the overall stupidity prevelant in the human race. And rightly so. That doesn't make them a troll.

Mumsnet is a public forum and people are entitled to their opinions, even if those opinions are different to yours....

Oh yeah - climate change is disgusting. You're right there.

Flyornofly thinks people who disagree with them are trolls. Presumably because their wants and views (however unpleasant or mistaken or plain wrong) are the only views anyone is allowed to have.

She clearly also thinks repeatedly telling someone they're incorrect will make it so.

You think it's incorrect about long covid? Please do tell the doctors (including the group who wrote to the BMJ detailing their own personal experiences of it).

Have a word with the government too. They're spending money (at a time when the NHS is very cash strapped) setting up long covid treatment clinics across the UK. Not something they'd do for a very short term or mild condition.

Please stop accusing me of something I'm not. I'm been very clear this is about covid. Yes, I added in an observation that, in the future if people want to tackle it, international travel will need to be reduced. Obviously it's down to the if If they don't want to, they've made their choice.

Oh, and reduce is not at all the same as stop.

It’s interesting that it’s being reported only 32 people have been hospitalised who have been vaccinated, so nearly every single person since the vaccine program began who was hospitalised has been unvaccinated.

So since the vaccine program started, apparantly 75k patients treated in hospital, Of which only 32 were vaccinated, and only once. Every other person who needed hospital treatment was unvaccinated.

What’s also interesting is way way more than 32 people have posted on mumsnet saying they know someone who was vaccinated and hospitalised,,so either those 32 people had massive friends and families who are all on here, or there’s some shite being posted..😂

Definitely climate change won't go away. Something will have to be done and I suspect in the coming years we'll see more measures like the French ban on short haul domestic flights.

Again, reduce is not the same as stop. We can look for a balance.

Still, that's another topic. Covid right now is the immediate issue being discussed in this thread.

@Tealightsandd no one is disputing long covid exists. We are disputing your continued assertion that over a million people are debilitated by it on an ongoing basis.

It was explained to you clearly and in detail on this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4222562-who-thinks-australia-and-nz-have-got-it-right?pg=10
with reference to the ONS data

Surprising that you have completely ignored it and continue to repeat your inaccurate and misleading statements

Cc @jassyradlett - here we go again...n

@Bluntness100 it is actually extraordinary. People have lost their minds.

@Bluntness100

It’s interesting that it’s being reported only 32 people have been hospitalised who have been vaccinated, so nearly every single person since the vaccine program began who was hospitalised has been unvaccinated.

So since the vaccine program started, apparantly 75k patients treated in hospital, Of which only 32 were vaccinated, and only once. Every other person who needed hospital treatment was unvaccinated.

What’s also interesting is way way more than 32 people have posted on mumsnet saying they know someone who was vaccinated and hospitalised,,so either those 32 people had massive friends and families who are all on here, or there’s some shite being posted..😂

This is great, feel like more should know this.

Oh and agree about very rare events getting a lot of airtime on here

Yes A big thank you to the scientists and all involved in developing the vaccine.

It’s interesting how many people seem to actively dislike the brilliant and amazing thing that scientists have done in developing an effective and overwhelmingly safe set of vaccines.

They’d rather stay locked down and cautious because transmission mumble mumble could be a variant mumble mumble virus escape mumble not safe

Vaccines work. We should be celebrating that and moving forward not navel gazing and doom mongering.

It’s so upside down - vaccines have become the bad vibe on mn in so many ways when it is incredible what scientists have done.

Countries who can stay closed until using them are just as lucky to have them way out. And we only have the due to high incidence countries.

[quote Delatron]@CuriousaboutSamphire I’m not what you’re arguing about. You are someone who is interested in data and gets annoyed when the general public don’t understand it? Who are you annoyed with? The people who ‘don’t connect with data’?

My view is that it is presented through the media in a misleading way, possibly via the government. You can’t honestly think the government does not leak things to the media that suit their narrative. Now yes I take it with a pinch of salt and search different sources. Many people don’t though. So my beef is with the government and the media. Not everyone will be hunting down multiple data sources and cross referencing them.[/quote]
But this isn’t limited to covid either. Science/health/stats journalism in the U.K. is dire in general. It has been for years. And it applies just as much to reporting about suicide stats, cancer risks, cancer mortality/survival rates, diet studies.

I’m not convinced the media misinformation is through malice as much as lazy journalism and the people writing the articles not necessarily understanding the stats themselves.

Great news about the 32 hospitalisations out of all vaccinations. Was just about to pop on to say this but see @Bluntness100 beat me to it.

Completely agree @Flyornofly

If we had been told a year ago by this time we’d have an arsenal of hugely effective vaccines and had vaccinated a huge part of the population you wouldn’t believe it. Science is amazing. This is so positive.

@MarshaBradyo

It’s so upside down - vaccines have become the bad vibe on mn in so many ways when it is incredible what scientists have done.

Countries who can stay closed until using them are just as lucky to have them way out. And we only have the due to high incidence countries.

It's probably as the vaccination programme is going well. If another country was doing really well and we were doing rubbish, no doubt vaccines would be the best thing since sliced bread.

I wonder if any of those too scared so deciding they don’t want vaccinated will look at the hospitalisation numbers and realise the greater risk is Covid and change their minds,

@Bluntness100

I wonder if any of those too scared so deciding they don’t want vaccinated will look at the hospitalisation numbers and realise the greater risk is Covid and change their minds,

Looking at have you declined the vaccine thread mners seem particularly stubborn against real world data.

Hopefully rl departs from SM

Floweree god I know can you imagine. Unbearable. At least this way we can seek refuge in actual data and it’s just misery guts spreading doom online!