Are our kids higher risk of 3rd wave?

[3asAbird]

Read upsetting article about 1300 babies dying in Brazil from covid

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56696907?at_custom2=facebook_page&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom4=75B890C2-9DEE-11EB-8A3B-7E2B3A982C1E&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D

I know Brazil has 2 varients that are more transmissible.

Also read lot younger patients in new York.
A lot of younger people seem to be affected by new mutated varients.

We we vaccinate all over 18s that want it.
That the virus mutates and looks for ways to survive.
Won't our non vaccinated children be a greater risk this autumn winter with non socially distanced schools?

It's awful. I think it is a numbers game though as a PP said, along with inadequate health care and high poverty. It is interesting that countries that didn't suppress when numbers started to increase have some of the more infectious variants and I count UK in that.

I am also concerned about the effect on kids - this has been exacerbated by the extreme push to say schools are "safe" with pictures in the media of what schools "could" look like - plastic barriers, good ventilation, plentiful handwashing facilities, big spaces between desks, knee operated taps etc when in reality kids are crammed in and many schools don't even have sufficient funds for enough soap!!! If there was a more honest acknowledgment of what schools were actually like, it would make me less concerned. The insistence that there are still only three symptoms to get tested for, ignoring the way the virus presents in kids, the it doesn't affect kids, schools are/are not vectors of transmission depending on government's message of the day etc etc - these are the things that will allow the virus in whatever variants to spread amongst kids. I'm hoping to enjoy lots of outside stuff with them this spring/summer and hope against hope, the government reacts in time for once if/when shit hits the fan.

Hoping vaccine roll-out helps, but the world really needs to be vaccinated and we are in such early days of this virus. Despite knowing this, I still feel uneasy about vaccinating really young kids in case of unknown long term impacts. I've had one dose of AZ personally.

@Quartz2208

I don’t think pointing out that the factors which make Brazil so horrific are somewhat unique to Brazil

Our last wave affected the younger population as well

@3asAbird sadly he died last June. The article itself is very good at explaining why it has happened like that in Brazil.

I am not saying your fears about mutations are wrong or unfounded because we just don’t know. Just that Brazilian situation is complicated and different from ours and you cannot extrapolate between to come to the conclusion you have

Its just bonkers to think travel could open up in May. Yet some young people 20 to 45 may not if even had their 1st jab. By 31st July deadline all adults who wants vaccines I assume is 1st jab so they won't be fully vaccinated until 12 weeks time end of October.

But 8000 tourist seem be coming to UK.
People can travel for work
A lot if countries with high rates still not ob red list like France and India.
France has 10% Brazilian or south African varient.
There 76 cases Indian varient in the UK .
Least 550 south African.
But we only genome sequence 10% postives so could be much higher.

Logically and I repeat im not at all scientific.

If there's covid strain a which is regular covid maybe the Kent varient as that seems to be the most dominant.
We think the vaccines protect against that after 2 doses.
Sorry be simplistic and use an apology all windows and doors are shut for covid strain a due to vaccine.
Covid strains b could be south African/ Indian, Brazilian,Nigerian well they can by pass vaccines we told there will be a booster in autumn.
The more likely it is to infect then the more likely it is to spread.
If it spreads amongst kids and gets passed into older relatives and by passes current vaccine protection than it will then become the more dominant strain.

It's only AZ that's been paused. Pfizer are continuing to trial in children.

Pfizer is continuing trials in the US, however it looks as though the paediatric vaccine programme, which was hoped to be rolled out in the UK at the end of the year (and possibly earlier for cev children) has been delayed.

@3asAbird as I have said I can see where you are coming from with this but the Brazil side is actually quite separate to all of this.

Life in Brazil can be very tough - DD had a friend join from Brazil when she was in year 5 in 2019 in tragic circumstances (he came over with his family Mum/Dad/sibling because his paternal Aunt had been murdered by her husband and they came over and adopted the 4 children). He talked about his home and his school (literally just a metal shack for all the primary school children) and the progress he made was astounding. However awful the circumstances were he knew that he had been given an opportunity to change his life

Going on and on about the UK when the article is as much about the issues and problems in Brazil misses the point OP about how awful it has been over there. Those figures are so awful because it highlights how badly it has been handled over there.

I dont think the things you are discussing should be done on a thread about that because they are quite separate issues

R.I.P xx Prayers