Do other vaccines cause death?

[Robin45]

Recently it has emerged that the astrazeneca vaccine can, in rare cases, cause blood clotting which can be fatal. So far the message in the media seems to be that we should take the vaccine anyway because the benefits still outweigh the risks. And there’s been a lot of comparison of the risk of blood clotting as a result of the vaccine with other activities and medicines that carry a similar risk. However, I haven’t seen any comparisons with other vaccines that we take for other diseases. Does anyone know whether there is a risk of death from any other vaccine that we take for other diseases? As far as I can tell there doesn’t seem to be.

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Yes. But as we were living in a world without social media, the internet or without easily available news then we just didn't know.

This report is quite old now, but has some information that you may be looking for www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/

The pill is far more dangerous in terms of chances of fatal blood clots. We all use that and it doesn't give us pause for concern as its SO incredibly rare, but more common than blood clots with this vaccine.

All drugs/ vaccines have side effects that can cause death. The side effects cause death NOT the vaccine. Even paracetamol comes with a warning.

Yes. The yellow fever vaccine causes severe illness with organ failure, affecting about 1 in 250,000 people who take it.

The pill is far more dangerous in terms of chances of fatal blood clots. We all use that and it doesn't give us pause for concern as its SO incredibly rare, but more common than blood clots with this vaccine.
We don't all use the pill .

The pill?

Yellow fever? ... there are three very rare, but potentially life-threatening, adverse reactions that may occur with the vaccine. The most severe is yellow fever visceral disease, which occurs when the vaccination itself produces an infection like yellow fever. The risk of this happening is very low: about 1 in 250,000 doses if you are under 60.

Polio? There have been rare cases where polio has been caused by being vaccinated with a live version of the polio virus.

@Ickle37

The pill is far more dangerous in terms of chances of fatal blood clots. We all use that and it doesn't give us pause for concern as its SO incredibly rare, but more common than blood clots with this vaccine.

All drugs/ vaccines have side effects that can cause death. The side effects cause death NOT the vaccine. Even paracetamol comes with a warning.

We don't ALL use the pill

Some of us choose not to because of the horrendous side effects it has for some people, me included. Now that the pill has been around for ages and we know much more about it, we can make an informed choice about risking the side effects. Very different.

Any vaccine could potentially cause an extreme serious allergic reaction which could result in death...

@Poorlykitten

Polio? There have been rare cases where polio has been caused by being vaccinated with a live version of the polio virus.

Not even that rare to be honest.

Last year vaccine-induced Polio was circulating wild in Sudan and Chad.

www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/

Sorry, I meant in this country (U.K.)

For every million people vaccinated for smallpox, between 14 and 52 could have a life-threatening reaction to smallpox vaccine.

We probably don't have full data.

If the AZ vaccine had been delivered in the normal way, we probably wouldn't have noticed the clots - picking out an outcome so rare, when it occurs for other reasons too, would have been impossible.

So it's quite possible that other childhood vaccines do occasionally result in deaths. They must be at a similar or lower level of incidence though.

A point that many have lost amongst all this is that the ONLY reason other countries have stopped using the AZ vaccine is because alternatives exist and they can switch to them with little impact to their vaccination program. The UK with a massive supply of AZ doses is almost unique. Here the tiny risks from the vaccine have to be balanced against the deaths that would result from slowing the vaccinations down - probably by months.

If AZ was the ONLY covid vaccine, every nation would be using it quite happily - as others have pointed out the clotting issues now we're alerted to them, pose an even lower risk still as they can be treated.

I’m aware of the risks involved in taking the pill. My question is whether other vaccines carry a risk of death. I thought that vaccines are normally considered extremely safe and I’m not aware of any risk of death associated with the standard vaccines that all receive and typically during childhood. Yellow fever vaccine is interesting - there is a rare risk but generally in people with certain conditions and some people are advised not to take it. However we do not yet know why the astrazeneca causes death in some people.

Also just to add that as baby I had a serious reaction to the DTaP. I had a fever, then a seizure and went floppy and my parents to this day say that had I been in my cot alone rather than being nursed in the night they would have lost me.

I have been okay, no lasting damage other than allergies etc. My folks were told it was all just an unfortunate coincidence but we obviously don't believe that for a second. I have spent years reading into other stories, and so many families are fobbed off as mine were. Reactions, and potentially fatalities, are much worse than the official stats show. At least for the past. It may be better these days.

A point that many have lost amongst all this is that the ONLY reason other countries have stopped using the AZ vaccine is because alternatives exist and they can switch to them with little impact to their vaccination program.

That’s not true. Australia put all their eggs into the AZ basket and the decision to restrict its use to over 50s as they have decided to do will significantly delay their vaccination schedule.

The 1976 swine flu vaccine.

Smallpox has an impressive list of possible serous side effects...

Heart problems
Swelling of the brain or spinal cord
Severe skin diseases
Spreading the virus to other parts of the body or to another person
Severe allergic reaction after vaccination
Accidental infection of the eye (which may cause swelling of the cornea causing watery painful eyes and blurred vision, scarring of the cornea, and blindness)

Yes
Look on the MHRA data

www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jul/30/internationalnews

Anthrax vaccine

My mum got injected with the diphtheria vaccine aged 3 and spent the next 3 months in an oxygen tent with diphtheria. This was 70 years ago. It seems that he vaccine may have given her diphtheria.

@Robin45 I think most vaccines carry some risk, often an allergic one but still a very serious risk . We’ve given plenty of examples. Or is this tread just to push the agenda that AZ is particularly unsafe?

Flu jab gets linked a lot to Guillain Barre syndrome

"Rare cases where a known or plausible theoretical risk of death following vaccination exists include anaphylaxis, vaccine-strain systemic infection after administration of live vaccines to severely immunocompromised persons, intussusception after rotavirus vaccine, Guillain-Barré syndrome after inactivated influenza vaccine, fall-related injuries associated with syncope after vaccination, yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease or associated neurologic disease, serious complications from smallpox vaccine including eczema vaccinatum, progressive vaccinia, postvaccinal encephalitis, myocarditis, and dilated cardiomyopathy, and vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis from oral poliovirus vaccine."

Yes the smallpox vaccine had deaths

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC194634/

But like this the balance was to give it to eradicate it

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

as a previous poster said the 1976 flu as well

The original whooping cough vaccine caused huge issues as well.

So yes is the answer - we havent rolled out a new vaccine for a long time so it is to be expected