Do other vaccines cause death?

[Robin45]

Recently it has emerged that the astrazeneca vaccine can, in rare cases, cause blood clotting which can be fatal. So far the message in the media seems to be that we should take the vaccine anyway because the benefits still outweigh the risks. And there’s been a lot of comparison of the risk of blood clotting as a result of the vaccine with other activities and medicines that carry a similar risk. However, I haven’t seen any comparisons with other vaccines that we take for other diseases. Does anyone know whether there is a risk of death from any other vaccine that we take for other diseases? As far as I can tell there doesn’t seem to be.

I’m interested because I’d like to understand how the risks associated with astrazeneca compare to the usual vaccines we all take. At the moment there is a public health reason to take the vaccine even if a very tiny number of people will die from it.

I think you cant look at it in that way though against the ones we currently have because that programme has been around for years - any issues (such as whooping cough) have been ironed out.

In terms of other vaccine roll out - 1950s Polio, Smallpox, 1976 flu, the effects of the 2009 swine flu, whooping cough etc they all had issues that need to be ironed out

Yes the measles vaccine being one. Extremely rare as with the AZ vaccine.

Op there is absolutely no vaccine without risk. None.

And there is no medicine without risk. Even nurofen carries the risk Of heart attack and stroke. And it’s a higher risk than az vaccine.

There is actually a higher risk of taking a dose of aspirin before the vaccine than the vaccine itself.

CDC summary of risks broken down by vaccine www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/index.html

The short answer is yes, all vaccines carry serious but rare risks, including the risk of death. But these risks are, as with Az, extremely rare.

That doesn't give the level of risk though.

Isn't it a 1 in 90000 chance of developing a blood clot with this thing? That seems quite high to me. So in every medium sized town one person will get a blood clot?

@DogsAreShit this article puts it in the context of other risks. www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/apr/11/how-big-are-the-blood-clot-risks-of-the-az-jab

It’s one case per 250 000 people vaccinated—0.0004%—and one death in a million.

My sister's cancer specialist at the Royal Marsden, an amazingly talented man, died a couple of years ago following a yellow fever vaccination. It made the national press.

There are risks with all vaccines and medication, but thankfully they are very rare.

It's a statistical link; there is no proven scientific connection as far as I know. It's the same for Pfizer, albeit lower numbers.

With the number of vaccinations involved, I'm not really surprised by possible side effects. No other programme has vaccinated so many people in one go.

You think vaccines are dangerous, wait til you hear about water.

Yeah I mean I don't think it's particularly persuasive to say "we put women at risk all the time [because no one can be arsed to prioritise developing an alternative to synthetic hormones] so wtf are they moaning about now" tbh. As for the other examples, sky diving? Winning the fucking lottery? This guy expects to be taken seriously?

I get that there's more risk from the virus circulating. Well maybe if we'd actually stopped the fucking virus circulating we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of a needle right now and we'd have other choices. Like, for example, Australia does.

It's just frustrating that we are where we are with all this. We've got everything else wrong so far so we have to vaccinate at all costs and we can't piss about, especially with Johnson putting out statements that the roadmap will go ahead regardless.

That last post was in response to the news article there.

@Quartz2208

Yes the smallpox vaccine had deaths

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC194634/

But like this the balance was to give it to eradicate it

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

as a previous poster said the 1976 flu as well

The original whooping cough vaccine caused huge issues as well.

So yes is the answer - we havent rolled out a new vaccine for a long time so it is to be expected

I think there is still some sort of risk with whooping cough - When I was pregnant I had this and I had to wait and be monitored to ensure there was no adverse reaction before I left.

And there is no medicine without risk. Even Nurofen carries the risk Of heart attack and stroke. And it’s a higher risk than az vaccine.

My DM took Nurofen and ended up in A&E with Anaphylactic shock.

Flu vaccine 1 in a million risk of Guillain Barre syndrome which is a very scary thing and sometimes fatal.

There are risks with everything we do. You have to evaluate are the risks worth taking I suppose? Personally, for me, the vaccine option feels a much surer bet than taking my chances with covid. Especially as I now know three people who have died from Covid 19. One of who was 33. It’s seems like more of a lottery to me than having AZ jab.

I had the AZ jab happily. I’d weigh up risks of yellow fever jab for travel more carefully as four times more risky than AZ (based on early figures - of course we don’t know for sure yet) . The risk/benefit analysis for me at 44 was in favour of taking the vaccine in preference to covid (esp long covid. I know several people who have died of covid but many more who are severely affected by long covid)

There are unpredictable idiosyncratic risks of anaphylaxis with any medicine at all

There were 11 cases per million of anaphylaxis after the Pfizer vaccine but no-one seems terribly fussed about that. Perhaps because it's old news or because although life threatening it's usually immediate and very treatable if recognised and near help in time so no-one has died

I get that there's more risk from the virus circulating. Well maybe if we'd actually stopped the fucking virus circulating we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of a needle right now and we'd have other choices. Like, for example, Australia does.

What other choice does Australia have other than mass vaccination?

@Robin45

I’m aware of the risks involved in taking the pill. My question is whether other vaccines carry a risk of death. I thought that vaccines are normally considered extremely safe and I’m not aware of any risk of death associated with the standard vaccines that all receive and typically during childhood. Yellow fever vaccine is interesting - there is a rare risk but generally in people with certain conditions and some people are advised not to take it. However we do not yet know why the astrazeneca causes death in some people.

Yes all vaccines, in fact I think all drugs, carry a very very small risk of death. Read the leaflets inside the packs!

@mosgirl

My sister's cancer specialist at the Royal Marsden, an amazingly talented man, died a couple of years ago following a yellow fever vaccination. It made the national press.

There are risks with all vaccines and medication, but thankfully they are very rare.

I remember that - he's was a friends oncologist.

I think the smallpox vaccines could also cause death in rare cases.

I also think that probably no-one would have noticed such a rare occurrence in normal times.
It's not usually the case that a vaccine is rolled out to so many millions of people all at once under such intense scrutiny. A 1 in a million side effect would take decades to be noticed usually.

I do believe it is probably a very very rare but real side effect of the vaccine and interesting that it is now linked with J&J too which is also an adenovirus vector. There is a biological mechanism proposed (cross reactive antibodies to a protein in the blood clotting cascade) although not proven.
That's what the MHRA and the EU regulators have said too that it's probably real but incredibly rare.

I'd still have it myself
I was accused of not being in a position to comment on another thread because I have already had Pfizer (just what I was offered) but the vaccine rollout is about to hit my little sisters age group (40s) and I would rather die myself than have her die and I would honestly still advise her to get any vaccine including AZ because you can't argue with the numbers. She is at hugely more risk of dying of COVID than the vaccine.
It's a very small risk of dying of COVID but a very very small one of a vaccine reaction.

I had no idea yellow fever jab was so much more dangerous than AZ! I had that without question, goes to show I really shouldn’t be worried about AZ when put into context. Thanks whoever shared that report!