Do other vaccines cause death?

[Robin45]

Recently it has emerged that the astrazeneca vaccine can, in rare cases, cause blood clotting which can be fatal. So far the message in the media seems to be that we should take the vaccine anyway because the benefits still outweigh the risks. And there’s been a lot of comparison of the risk of blood clotting as a result of the vaccine with other activities and medicines that carry a similar risk. However, I haven’t seen any comparisons with other vaccines that we take for other diseases. Does anyone know whether there is a risk of death from any other vaccine that we take for other diseases? As far as I can tell there doesn’t seem to be.

A 1 in a million side effect would take decades to be noticed usually.

It's 1 in 90000. Not death, sure, but blood clots. Which are no picnic. It's why I never took the pill myself because immediate family members have had blood clots from it. And having seen what they went through it's not something I wish to experience myself.

Stepping outside your front door can cause death.

Every drug including vaccines can have extremely rare side effects. We use them (the drugs) because the disease or illness they're treating or protecting against cause infinitely more death.

Again, 1 in 90000 is not extremely rare.

@DogsAreShit it’s not.

79 cases of rare blood clots with low platelets have been reported, as well as 19 deaths, said the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency. This equates to around one case per 250 000 people vaccinated—0.0004%—and one death in a million.

A relative had a friend who supposedly died after an allergic reaction to the flu jab

I read a very interesting biography some years back on a bbc journalist, Michael Brabant, who had the yellow fever jab and it turned him into, in his words 'a raving lunatic'.

In the current circumstances I would take the AZ vaccine tomorrow but would probably not take the yellow fever jab just for a two week holiday.

The risks of AZ and other covid vaccines only seem amplified because millions of people are taking it at once so a tiny percentage of complications are being identified within a short space of time. It's a highly unusual situation but doesn't mean the risks are greater than many other common medications and vaccines, the resulting side effects are just more concentrated than is usual.

@Circumlocutious

Yes. The yellow fever vaccine causes severe illness with organ failure, affecting about 1 in 250,000 people who take it.

Yes, and yet people will have it in order to travel despite the risks. Weird huh??

All drugs have side effects

Do people get the yellow fever vaccine for a holiday??

I know it's sometimes a work visa condition but didn't realise tourists have it as well.

Yes, I had it for travelling, can’t remember where it was for....

Africa maybe?

I had it for Egypt 15 years ago - its not recommended for the over 60s due to the potential side effects

It’s these countries, so to be honest, not many people be going on a two week all inclusive 😉 but I had it to go volunteer as a student without a second thought.. I’m def think a bit more now I recon! I had no idea!

I had yellow fever vaccine over 20 years ago. The dr who gave me it listed death as a side effect.....I got it. But I’m nervous about covid vaccine 🤷‍♀️

Laughing at "we all take the pill"
I've never taken it!

@KriKay

I had yellow fever vaccine over 20 years ago. The dr who gave me it listed death as a side effect.....I got it. But I’m nervous about covid vaccine 🤷‍♀️

I think it's called the invincibility of youth (I'd like to go back there) .

I flew around the world all on my own when I was 20 on a gap year without a care in the world. Fast forward a few years and I developed a fear that I would die in a mid air disaster and didn't get on a plane for another 20 years. Out of necessity I had to take a flight to Ireland four years ago and I cried all the way there and all the way back . Your sense of how short your own life actually is kicks in at some point and alters your perspective on things.

@SuziQuatrosFatNan

Do people get the yellow fever vaccine for a holiday??

I know it's sometimes a work visa condition but didn't realise tourists have it as well.

Yes, it was a requirement when we went to Kenya. Had to be paid for, not free. It covers you for 10 years. I still have the little yellow card with the details on somewhere with my wedding stuff (we got married and had our honeymoon there.)

The list of risks for one of my arthritis medication is long!
The risk of some of the potentially very dangerous issues is fairly high for a medicine too, and involved blood tests every three months. Infact most of my medication have scarily long lists of health risks.

Hence having the covid vaccine didn't bother me at all. Even if I'd had the AZ one (didn't k ow which til I arrived) it had far less risk factors than the other pills and injection I had that morning.

I know a doctor who died from having the yellow fever vaccine a few years ago. he was treating my aunt for cancer at the time. was so sad.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/11/top-cancer-scientist-prof-martin-gore-dies-after-rare-reaction-to-yellow-fever-vaccination

@Robin45

I’m interested because I’d like to understand how the risks associated with astrazeneca compare to the usual vaccines we all take. At the moment there is a public health reason to take the vaccine even if a very tiny number of people will die from it.

I haven't RTFT but there are two factors here that are unprecedented:

• The number of people getting the vaccine over a short period of time - in the hundreds of millions
• The speed and breadth at which information of all kinds is communicated

This was in New Scientist

What causes the rare blood clots linked with some covid-19 vaccines?

HEALTH 13 April 2021
By Clare Wilson
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A pharmacist administering the covid-19 vaccine in Pennsylvania
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Use of the Johnson & Johnson covid-19 vaccine has been suspended in the US after six people experienced blood clots, out of 6.8 million who received the vaccine in the country. The cases seem to be similar to the rare blood clots seen in recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which has caused some countries to restrict its use.
The blood clot syndrome involves an unusual type of clot, often one that forms in the brain – called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis or CVST – coupled with low levels of platelets, small particles in the blood that stick together to make clots.
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It has been seen mainly in people under about 60, and more often in women than men. But the sex difference may be because more women have been vaccinated, as they comprise more healthcare workers and care home staff. In an analysis of 79 UK cases seen after the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, they occurred at the same rate in men and women, says Munir Pirmohamed, chair of the UK’s Commission on Human Medicines. The overall rate was four cases per million people who have received the vaccine in the UK.
It is unknown why younger people seem more at risk, but the age distribution is partly why some countries have said this vaccine should only be given to those above a certain age. The other reason is that older people are more at risk from covid-19 itself, so the benefit of the vaccine should outweigh the risk.
The six cases of CVST newly reported in recipients of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, one of which was fatal, were all in women aged between 18 and 48.
Johnson & Johnson announced today it would delay the European roll-out of its product. “We have been working closely with medical experts and health authorities, and we strongly support the open communication of this information to healthcare professionals and the public,” the firm said in a statement.
What could be causing the clots? In the Oxford/AstraZeneca cases, many of those affected have tested positive for antibodies that bind to a molecule released by platelets, called platelet factor 4 or PF4. The vaccine may somehow trigger production of these antibodies, which cause multiple small clots to form in the blood and that can use up platelets, says Andreas Greinacher at the University of Greifswald in Germany. It resembles a syndrome in which similar antibodies can be triggered by the blood-thinning treatment heparin, says Greinacher, who is an expert on the heparin side effect.

Read more: www.newscientist.com/article/2274320-what-causes-the-rare-blood-clots-linked-with-some-covid-19-vaccines/#ixzz6s6JA1mtK