Cheese in coffee/ mild meats (?) thread..

[Wilkolampshade]

Hi all,
Could some kind soul please link to the thread, it'll be from this time last year I guess, where someone posted about using cheese in coffee as a substitute for milk and I'm sure, also suggested we only buy 'mild meats' as others weren't essential?
I'm not making this up... am I?
I've tried to explain to family members but they've all been a bit

I think you remember the numbers threads, Flax* where the volcano was the gospel and posters sat around it, knitting.

There is fear, and then there’s hoping the rising numbers prove a point you want to make. A generic you, of course.

Some people were just being twats. Some people turned nasty and enjoyed spying on their neighbours. Some people were genuinely scared and a year ago most of us had no idea what the hell was going on and how long it would last.

I remember in late Feb / early March preparing contingency plans for work. I had naively imagined a scenario where we would all get struck down at the same time and my biggest fear was that there would be no one to run the payroll.

I.also remember probably scarring my DS for life by having a huge argument with my DH about him wanting to go and pick up something from the local coop.

I remember watching streets being disinfected in other counties on the TV and a tearful and terrified young A&E doctor telling everyone to stay at home on BBC news.

I think a lot of the posts at the time just reflect the confusion,fear and pure bewilderment of the time and should be seen through that lens.

Parents come from a part of the world where white butter is used in tea and so I wouldn’t think twice about using mild cream cheeses. Both can last longer than milk depending on where you get it from and how you store it.

There is a poster on MN right now who has essentially had a complete breakdown and is unable to get out of bed: she's spent the last year stricken with fear and is not petrified that she had the AZ vaccine.

It's not that difficult to see how being on MN could contribute to the problems of someone already suffering with some sort of health anxiety, if body bags and ventilator comments is what you get when you show weakness.

Does anyone remember the thread where someone was vilifying some relatives for driving to a hired field to walk their reactive dog and having the temerity to eat a sandwich whilst they were there ?

It brought out all the mumsnet trigger points - driving 5 minutes to a field, needing to eat more than once a day and carbs as well, and of course inveterate dog hatred.

To be fair the whole thing hasn’t half given a lot of people a chance to reveal their inner cunt.

I hadn’t quite realised how many utter Arseholes there Are in the world until last year, or what a complete inability most people have to use critical thinking.

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

‘Fear’ isn’t an excuse for everything though. Fear isn’t an excuse for making the vile comments about children in body bags. Fear isn’t an excuse for making bizarre statements about exercising on benches being allowed but not eating crisps. Fear isn’t an excuse for saying to people who struggle with masks ‘oh dear, you’re really not going to like a ventilator then’. You can’t put all the behaviour down to people being ‘scared’. Some of it was just people being twats.

Why is it you've only provided examples of so-called Dementors making vile comments? TBH, the viciousness from ADs has far outweighed anything Dementors may have said.

The viciousness and arrogance got me. The 'why should I be inconvenienced ' attitude. Several fat shaming threads and comments about covid only affecting the elderly and infirm.

@TheClaws what, worse than telling key workers that if they sent their DC to school they'd be coming home in body bags? Or that mask exempt people shouldn't be allowed in public places and were tantamount to murderers? Ditto someone posting a letter, or buying an Easter egg?

There was fault on both sides to some extent, much of it fear driven (ADs trying to minimise out of fear, others panicking and catastrophising) but telling posters their DC would die was beyond the pale. ADs never accused anyone of killing people because they had to get on a bus or go to the supermarket more than once a fortnight.

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

‘Fear’ isn’t an excuse for everything though. Fear isn’t an excuse for making the vile comments about children in body bags. Fear isn’t an excuse for making bizarre statements about exercising on benches being allowed but not eating crisps. Fear isn’t an excuse for saying to people who struggle with masks ‘oh dear, you’re really not going to like a ventilator then’. You can’t put all the behaviour down to people being ‘scared’. Some of it was just people being twats.

Absolutely this!

Some people were vile (some still are). The cries of "selfish" and "covidiot" have been constant over the last year. Okay fine if you want to get manipulated by the government and believe everything you read in the Daily Mail then that's up to you but there was never any need to harass those of us that aren't quite so gullible.

@Shelovesamystery there's the name calling again. The digs about being gullible and not applying critical thinking.The sense of superiority and I know better. I've never voted tory, don't believe a word this government say, but I worked on the frontline and saw with my own eyes how bad it was. Maybe not as bad as predicted but in 20 odd years as a nurse never experienced anything like it.

Okay fine if you want to get manipulated by the government and believe everything you read in the Daily Mail then that's up to you but there was never any need to harass those of us that aren't quite so gullible

To be fair, calling people 'gullible' for being scared isn't really on. Back in spring last year nobody had any idea what they were dealing with (including the 'experts') because covid was new, and no-one knew how it would play out. It stands to reason that those with anxiety or who were vulnerable would be frightened. Also those who were worried about losing their livelihoods. Sadly for many those fears were realised.

Some posters on here absolutely ramped up the fear factor either through their own fears, or just their taste for drama/superiority. In many ways the media didn't help either, but this is a thread about the MN reaction to it all. And the cheese in coffee, no crisps on a walk, bread isn't essential etc nuttiness.

Some people were vile (some still are). The cries of "selfish" and "covidiot" have been constant over the last year. Okay fine if you want to get manipulated by the government and believe everything you read in the Daily Mail then that's up to you but there was never any need to harass those of us that aren't quite so gullible.

I don't read the Daily Mail or anything like it, and I make my own decisions - I'm not manipulated by any organisation. The very fact I'm calling you out on this means I'm not gullible. I don't appreciate that any time someone posts a reasonable thread - eg. related to the other day about riding on the bus where a number of people didn't have their masks on - the attacks they receive are unwarranted and vicious. The very first reply related to cheese in coffee. How is that helpful? It's moronic.

@TheClaws in fairness, that wasn't a vicious comment. It was clearly humourous. Humour is subjective, granted, but nobody surely could say that this was vicious?!

Also the OP on that thread called people selfish for not wearing masks properly several times. She had no idea why they might have been pulling their masks down or not wearing them 'properly' - maybe they felt faint? Found it very difficult to wear a mask and persevered anyway, but couldn't tolerate one for the whole journey? On a phone call they couldn't miss but needed to be audible? So many reasons.

Judgement and name-calling isn't very nice whoever it's coming from, surely?

@TheVampiresWife

Also the OP on that thread called people selfish for not wearing masks properly several times. She had no idea why they might have been pulling their masks down or not wearing them 'properly' - maybe they felt faint? Found it very difficult to wear a mask and persevered anyway, but couldn't tolerate one for the whole journey? On a phone call they couldn't miss but needed to be audible? So many reasons.

Judgement and name-calling isn't very nice whoever it's coming from, surely?

I didn't say that particular comment was vicious - I said it was moronic. There were plenty of nasty comments. I thought the OP was fairly restrained given the pasting she was getting. Sure, she couldn't have known the eight or so individual circumstances of each person not wearing a mask, but given it is still mandatory to wear them on public transport, I'd think it's reasonably safe to say not all of them are exempt. Just law of averages.

I'd think it's reasonably safe to say not all of them are exempt. Just law of averages

Don't want to turn this into yet another mask thread but a) I'd didn't say they were exempt and b) you have no way of knowing if one, three or all the people on a bus are exempt anyway, law of averages or not. Again, judgement isn't a good look and we could all stand to be a little more understanding of others at the moment (and all the time).

Covidiot! Not heard that for ages.

Thank fuck.

The cheese wasn't a myth, I remember the thread it was on!

As for Ryvita, I have been eating quite a lot of it during lockdown to save on bread so we didn't have to go out so often to get it. Ooops - I didn't realise I was a dementor.

I think the reporting to the police has moved on to second home owners hasn't it?

But the thing that annoyed me much was the myth of the virus shedding jogger. Even now people are turning to face away from me (in an area with very low infection rates, and in a demographic where they've been vaccinated). I might buy a t-shirt saying I've been vaccinated.

And the most dementory claim was the one that if you went out for a walk and walked over the same patch of ground that someone with covid had walked over, the virus would go from their shoe to the ground to your shoe and then you'd catch it. Washing and quarantining shopping and parcels was and is a nonsense too.

@poppycat10

The cheese wasn't a myth, I remember the thread it was on!

As for Ryvita, I have been eating quite a lot of it during lockdown to save on bread so we didn't have to go out so often to get it. Ooops - I didn't realise I was a dementor.

I think the reporting to the police has moved on to second home owners hasn't it?

But the thing that annoyed me much was the myth of the virus shedding jogger. Even now people are turning to face away from me (in an area with very low infection rates, and in a demographic where they've been vaccinated). I might buy a t-shirt saying I've been vaccinated.

And the most dementory claim was the one that if you went out for a walk and walked over the same patch of ground that someone with covid had walked over, the virus would go from their shoe to the ground to your shoe and then you'd catch it. Washing and quarantining shopping and parcels was and is a nonsense too.

Ah the difference is you weren't telling people that they should be eating Ryvita and that bread wasn't essential and going out to buy it regularly would cause untold deaths. The devil is in the detail

I saw someone mention virus shedding joggers on a thread the other day so it's still definitely A Thing. Someone was asking how they could've caught covid when all they do is go for a walk now and again - virusy runners and supermarket deliveries were both given as probable sources of infection.

I remember the shoe thing! People were disinfecting their shoes when they'd been out. Also taking their clothes off as soon as they got inside their front doors, putting them in the washing machine and getting in the shower.

Again, this was down to fear of the unknown and understandable. But it wasn't acceptable to tell others they should be doing the same else they'd be risking their families' lives or whatever, which a lot of people were.

I remember the shoe thing! People were disinfecting their shoes when they'd been out. Also taking their clothes off as soon as they got inside their front doors, putting them in the washing machine and getting in the shower.

I was pregnant through the whole first lockdown, had my baby in August.

I was at the hospital a lot due to complications and each time the midwives would drill it into me that when I got home I should strip at the door, quarantine my shoes, maternity notes, phone cover in a bag for three days, immediately wash my clothes and shower. It was heightened as two midwives and a consultant died from covid at that hospital.

I did it all twice.

But I was at that bloody hospital sometimes twice a week for 5 months. It was clean, it was the emptiest I'd ever seen a maternity unit over three children. I just couldn't keep doing it.

TheClaws
Interestingly, Flaxmeadow, the AD thread in Chat is also used as a rally point, ie. if someone is currently posting on another thread and requires support, she'll post for assistance on the Chat thread. Then, like magic, you'll see a flood of AD posters on the other thread

Yes a pile on.
A poster, unaware of the forces about to be unleashed, will innocently say something like 'bread is not an everyday essential'. This triggers a barrage of angry name calling 'dementor, frother, cnt twt (charming )etc' and exaggerations along the lines of 'they told me to put cheese in my coffee'.

But there are no dementors, it's an imaginary foe. The AD threads are tilting at windmills.

@Flaxmeadow

TheClaws Interestingly, Flaxmeadow, the AD thread in Chat is also used as a rally point, ie. if someone is currently posting on another thread and requires support, she'll post for assistance on the Chat thread. Then, like magic, you'll see a flood of AD posters on the other thread

Yes a pile on.
A poster, unaware of the forces about to be unleashed, will innocently say something like 'bread is not an everyday essential'. This triggers a barrage of angry name calling 'dementor, frother, cnt twt (charming )etc' and exaggerations along the lines of 'they told me to put cheese in my coffee'.

But there are no dementors, it's an imaginary foe. The AD threads are tilting at windmills.

Nobody was able to judge what foodstuffs were essential, though. Not even the government provided a list of what was deemed essential, but plenty of MNers had their own lists of what they insisted was essential. People with food intolerances/special dietary needs were told to suck it up because an IBS attack or whatever wasn't as awful as covid, people were told not to linger in supermarkets to read ingredients. It was utterly ridiculous.

It doesn't matter whether you're calling people frothing dementors or selfish murderers, none of that was helpful. I don't remember anyone being called a cunt, though. Oh, except me - I was called a cunt because I'm mask exempt. Which was nice.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3863000-Can-my-kids-go-to-the-park-or-not

This one's another prime example I remember. Two brothers going to the park together to kick a football around. Of course this was fine.

So much bollocks stated with so much confidence - although I blame the government messaging. It seemed as though the PM or someone from the government only had to vaguely mention something and lots of people would take it as 100% that was the law now. Exacerbated by many police forces losing their minds as well. So many believed that you could only exercise once a day, only for one hour, only three options for exercise (walking, running, cycling), no sitting down, etc. None of this was ever the case at any point. Presumably it would have been better for the brothers to do box jumps on the park benches.

You don't see this level of people making up their own versions of 'the rules' and haranguing others for not following their own special lockdown anymore. People have calmed down a lot and realised that a comment by a Minister isn't actually the law, which is good.