Illegally obtaining jabs

[Kijaji]

What do people think about lying pretending to be a carer to get a COVID jab? A friend of mine who is in their early 20's has done exactly this and is pushing me to do the same, I am so shocked that this is happening and actually disgusted at said friend for blatantly lying just to get the jab as they have holidays booked abroad later on in the year!

@TinHat1234 I do have some sympathy with you not being able to have the vaccine legitimately. However the JCVI have used expert people to decide the order in which people are vaccinated through evidence. Rightly or wrongly you are seen as lower risk than those above you in the priority groups.

This is why there is an issue with holiday companies, holiday rentals and airlines insisting on vaccines. It will dramatically increase this problem.

@Tinhat1234 your GP is wrong, lupus puts you in group 6

www.lupusuk.org.uk/covid19-vaccination/

It’s under immunosuppression in table 3, page 11.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/961287/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v7_12Feb2021.pdf

You should complain to your CCG about your GP practice.

The definition of unpaid carer is broad anyway. The advert on the radio said that even if you were providing occasional emotional support for someone elderly or sick then you could get the vaccine. So the 21 year old popping in for a cup of tea once week to his elderly grandparent is an unpaid carer.

I think it doesn’t matter, the more that are vaccinated the better, they aren’t taking away from others anyway because as far as I can see the Government haven’t said who the next priority group is?

And as posters have said above, I’m more concerned about those who aren’t planning on getting the jAb at all.

[quote Rillington]@TinHat1234 I do have some sympathy with you not being able to have the vaccine legitimately. However the JCVI have used expert people to decide the order in which people are vaccinated through evidence. Rightly or wrongly you are seen as lower risk than those above you in the priority groups.[/quote]
They used an algorithm which didn’t account for human factors such as the vast majority of those with asthma shielding. The algorithm thus saw the shielded people had less illness instead of looking at how ill those who actually contracted covid got.

The jcvi advice also goes against Nice advise and the priority groups in other countries.

@WombatChocolate

Regarding risk levels, the risk of a 25 and 45 year old is much more similar, than say a 65 and 45 year old.

It was those over 50 and especially over 65 who displayed more risk. The risk did not drop in equal increments due to age.

Of course age isn’t the only factor and some 50s are in better health and less risk than some upper 40s or even 30s, but OVERALL ON A BROAD BASIS the rough age risks apply. There have to be cut offs. Someone will always just creep in or miss out.

The lack of supply is a real shame. Without that I’d think the upper 40sand most 40s would have had it by now. But, supply has been limited and thus was where we had got to with rollout. Let’s hope supply rises soon and we can quickly push ahead .

The risks of long Covid are highest in the 49somethings.

@Legoninjago1

I know of a couple of people who've somehow 'pulled strings' to get theirs early and will forever more think of them in a similar way to those who pushed in to get places in the lifeboats on the Titanic!

This government has encouraged a mentality of survival of the fittest for years.

In that mentality, those who waited their turn on the titantic may be heroic but heroics mean they are dead and that was a choice.

The culture we live in has very much lead to people believing that the government doesn't care about them and they may as well do everything to look after themselves because no one else will.

I dont condone it. But thats the culture we are in and its come from the top down.

I think that is a fair point redtoothbrush It's not a comfortable thing to admit, but often those who put themselves and their families first are more successful in life.

I have a friend who's Husband is a very high earner, so she doesn't need to work. She applied for an NHS job front line role at the beginning of the second lockdown, purely so that her children could attend school. Her calculation was that her and her husband were at low risk from covid, and her children would do better in school than at home. I should add that friend has no issue with hard work and is good at her job.

I chose to keep DD home, even though she could have attended school because I believed it was the right thing to do. I'm not judging friend at all, she did what she thought was right for her family, but the situation led to a conversation between DH and myself about successful people - given her husband earns squillions.

Are they successful because they are not embarrassed to put their family first? I suspect so.

At this point in the proceedings, I cannot bring myself to care. Crack on.