Illegally obtaining jabs

[Kijaji]

What do people think about lying pretending to be a carer to get a COVID jab? A friend of mine who is in their early 20's has done exactly this and is pushing me to do the same, I am so shocked that this is happening and actually disgusted at said friend for blatantly lying just to get the jab as they have holidays booked abroad later on in the year!

This is something I feel like I should care about, but I just don’t.

(And I’ve not had mine yet, and won’t get it for a while as I’m in my twenties, but will have it when offered)

@Mumoftwoinprimary

It is bad. The only good thing is that those who lie to get a vaccine probably also break lockdown rules so at least they are not spreading it so much anymore.

Where is your proof of this?

Illegal? Immoral, yes but not illegal.

Not really “illegal” is it. Illegal would be stealing jabs and getting your pal to inject it.

I don’t agree with it but given lots of people apparently don’t want it I don’t see the harm it’s doing.

How do people feel about Covid vaccine Hubs giving away unused vaccines at the end of the day. I had a call at work a few weeks ago saying there were a lot of spares that we could have if we could get to the hub in the next hour.
I’m mid 30’s and went along but now I feel guilty about it.

I can see that it is unfair (not illegal) but surely if there is capacity and supply the the quicker everyone gets vaccinated the better. Anyone I know that’s had their vaccine and the few people I know who are volunteers say the centres are empty so if people can use the spaces in that area rather than the vaccines going to waste then so be it

What I don’t think it’s fair is the postcode lottery aspect to all this. But since that won’t change best to get as many people in a postcode done as quickly as possible

Yes that’s what I thought Xeno- in my area there are loads of spare vaccine slots every single day.

That’s what happened to me @Parkermumma07 and now I feel guilty although I do work in a high risk profession.

The order is less important than the shared immunity and anyone who thinks they are at a higher risk the average, as is certainly the case with the OP, should push for it. The aim of the game is to save people from getting sick and putting pressure on the NHS. Most people will wait, a few people are dicks and will queue jump, but if you have an above average risk due to personal circumstances, I wouldn't judge anyone.

And for the people doing it at the end of the day you are doing everyone a big favour and should feel no guilt. The vaccines are to be used!

@Branleuse

I dont care. If theyre anxious enough then I domt begrudge anyone. Im more concerned about those who refuse it

Exactly this.

The more people who are vaccinated the better. And if it’s the ‘wrong’ people who have been vaccinated, at least they will be stopping the virus circulating in society, so protecting those who , for whatever reason can’t or won’t be vaccinated.
I’m also not surprised people are trying to jump the queue. All the talk of vaccine passports for holidays is bound to be making the younger adults twitchy. If you are desperate to go on holiday and are hearing on the news that you will only be able to go if you are vaccinated, I suspect you are going to do everything you can to get that jab in your arm!

Clinics locally to me seem to have surplus vaccines and have been phoning local schools to get teachers/school staff in at the end of each day. That doesn’t sound like a shortage to me.

Agree with the idea of the more people vaccinated the better, but asthmatics weren’t vaccinated unless the were in the severe asmathics category, and people like the op who is a cancer survivor, and lots of people with long term illnesses but aren’t classed as vulnerable. So from this point of view, no it’s not exactly fair.

The vaccine centre I volunteer at had huge numbers of people attending who had booked in as unpaid carers. E.g. At my last shift 10 days ago, 400 people were booked in that day and 180 of them had booked as unpaid carers. It wasn't a few spares at the end of the day, it was almost half of the jabs given that day. That volume of extra people must have led to others being pushed further down the list e.g. our area hasn't started on the 40-49 age group yet.

Months ago or even a few weeks ago I would have cared, but over 40's have now been offered in my area so I think that if someone is so anxious that they want the jab early, I don't begrudge them it. I'd much rather young people have it early than not at all.

@CornishYarg

The vaccine centre I volunteer at had huge numbers of people attending who had booked in as unpaid carers. E.g. At my last shift 10 days ago, 400 people were booked in that day and 180 of them had booked as unpaid carers. It wasn't a few spares at the end of the day, it was almost half of the jabs given that day. That volume of extra people must have led to others being pushed further down the list e.g. our area hasn't started on the 40-49 age group yet.

Also, the centre is now shut for most of April (as is the other one in the town) due to lack of supply. So it will now be May before they can start on the 40-49 group. So yes, I'm annoyed about the queue jumping that was going on and I'm glad the booking system has been amended.

I’m early 20s and this might be controversial, but I’m more than happy to wait to have the vaccine. I’m not in a rush as I’d rather not be an early adopter and deal with such side effects like blood clotting, when I’m low risk of serious COVID regardless of the vaccine. I’d rather have the safer, better, more researched vaccine which will evolve as the situation develops

When vaccine passports are implemented, I might change my mind but until then I’m happy to be low priority!

How can an unpaid career of one other person jump ahead of teachers who care for 200 students a week?

That goes for any other person who’s risk increases x the number of contacts for a fact to face job.

Not just shopping for Granny

I did this. I’m nearly 50, a single parent, have no family to care for my child if I get sick, the father of my child has not been seen for three years, and I have underlying health and lung conditions (but not on the group 6 list). When friends who were younger than me (no underlying conditions) but registered at other GP surgeries in my city started to get invited for their jabs, I took matters into my own hands and registers ask as an unpaid carer. My child is in school, there are few changes being made in school to make things safer, and if I got sick my child would I guess have to be cared for by the local authority? I’ve no idea what would actually happen if I was hospitalised but Am guessing some sort of foster care? Anyway, I made a decision to do what I did to protect my very small family. I am an extremely moral and law abiding person and I thought long and hard about it. I have been sick with nerves all year worrying about what would happen to my child if I got covid.

Where did she steal from?. Is it one of the vaccine clinics? How does she plan to get the paperwork necessary for the GP and potential passport.
Every time she steals another person has to wait longer.
I absolutely would report her ( anonymously or not). You cannot trust somebody like her as a carer. Honesty and trustworthiness are 2 of the main principles.
Her relatives should wait their turn like the others that have waited months.

I may have re-read some. But everyone is wrong. You all know other options I hope the Day Fail actually pick up on this.

Couldn't care less.

Every adult is going to be offered the vaccine soon enough, so spitting feathers about a handful of queue-jumpers when there are 52 million or so adults is a bit lacking in perspective.

It's not really any different to folk who seethe at the thought of a single mother getting £20 of benefit she's not entitled to, when there are hundreds of millions of pounds in benefits going unclaimed, and huge corporations doing everything they can to avoid tens of billions in tax.

Drop in the ocean, that won't make the slightest bit of material difference to anyone. Far more concerning is the approximately 20% no-show rate in some areas. Those are the real piss-takers.

@Adirondack in my mind you would qualify under the carer bracket for the reasons you set out.

@yeOldeTrout

What do people think about lying pretending to be a carer to get a COVID jab?

I profoundly don't care. Esp. now the truly high risk have all had chance to get vacc'd.

Not true. Many at risk asthmatics were removed from group 6 because the jcvi algorithm decided they were safe because they obeyed their instructions to shield last year.

I had three asthma attacks this past fortnight snd use steroid inhalers and I haven’t been vaccinated. I also have issues with myimmune system.

My DS has been looking after his great grandma for the last year, and even though he is an unpaid carer he couldn't get an appointment, presumably because of the demand. I would like to be generous and think that the people who got the jabs were in greater need than him, but I was called for mine and am not really sure why. He's the only person in the family not to have been vaccinated now.

Duckyface

Severe asthmatics are still in a high group defined by use of strong steroid tablets or been hospitalized in the last year.

Ring your GP you have been missed.