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Vaccine passports aren't possible in practice if

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paxman · 09/04/2021 15:33

there is no central record of all of the people who have been vaccinated and when they received them.
DH, for example, had his first dose but used the central booking system so he has an appointment card but there is no record on his NHS account that he accesses using the App. Therefore I don't think his GP knows he has been vaccinated.
MIL had hers but was called by the GP and they booked her in so the GP has a record that it was booked. I don't know if the attendance list from the vaccination centre is passed back to the GP.

I can't seem to understand where the data on actual vaccinations people have had is. Therefore I can't understand how any vaccination passport can actually work as there is no central place to check these details?

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Cornettoninja · 09/04/2021 15:38

It was my understanding that GP’s were being notified from other locations of someone was vaccinated (I queried this as I had mine through work).

Tbh I think your DH should be speaking to his GP practice if there’s a notable length of time passed since his vaccination, that sounds like an error to me.

Hairwizard · 09/04/2021 15:38

Theres no place for it anyway. Shouldnt even be a discussion on them.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/04/2021 15:39

My gp knew I’d been vaccinated.

Soontobe60 · 09/04/2021 15:40

Mine knows I’ve been vaccinated, did it through the national system. I checked when I phoned up for a different thing.

SimonJT · 09/04/2021 15:40

We used the central booking system, at my latest GP appointment she knew I had been vaccinated.

When you book one of the questions asks is which GP surgery you are registered at, plus they have your NHS number etc.

Soontobe60 · 09/04/2021 15:41

@Hairwizard

Theres no place for it anyway. Shouldnt even be a discussion on them.
Why? Do you have a passport? Driving license? NHS card?
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paxman · 09/04/2021 15:42

So will GPs be asked to provide confirmation of every vaccination to another body (GDPR?) that will then generate some kind of card or pass with this information on??
That sounds like another load to put on GPs.

I only ask as a cruise company are selling UK sailings for UK residents but only for those adults who have had both vaccinations. I wondered how the passengers could possibly actually prove this information.

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SimonJT · 09/04/2021 15:44

GPs already provide proof of vaccines for travel, so it isn’t a system that doesn’t already exist.

Moondust001 · 09/04/2021 15:44

The NHS account contains only a small amount of the information that is held by the NHS and transferred between GP's and others. Mine, for example, inexplicably contains a record of my childhood vaccinations, my travel vaccinations and yes, my Pfizer vaccination (done by GP) but leaves out the fact that I have, for example, a hip that is replaced, and an ankle that was replaced. I am positive my GP knows those things and that they are on my medical records though, because I have seen them there!

Aposterhasnoname · 09/04/2021 15:45

@paxman

there is no central record of all of the people who have been vaccinated and when they received them. DH, for example, had his first dose but used the central booking system so he has an appointment card but there is no record on his NHS account that he accesses using the App. Therefore I don't think his GP knows he has been vaccinated. MIL had hers but was called by the GP and they booked her in so the GP has a record that it was booked. I don't know if the attendance list from the vaccination centre is passed back to the GP.

I can't seem to understand where the data on actual vaccinations people have had is. Therefore I can't understand how any vaccination passport can actually work as there is no central place to check these details?

GPs are informed, mine was booked on the national booking system, and doesn’t appear on my app, but I asked when I was there last week and they have a record of it.
AppletonP · 09/04/2021 15:46

It has been centrally tracked and tagged to your nhs number.

titchy · 09/04/2021 15:48

There is a record of your vaccination. It'll wing it's way to your GP in due course. (Mine took a week - also booked centrally.)

MrsAudreyShapiro · 09/04/2021 15:51

I think the NHS does hold the information centrally. I got the jab through work and had to give my NHS number. Even though my age group is now eligible, I have not been contacted by my GP. I assume this means the GPs know I have already been vaccinated.

I don't know how the NHS app works, but I agree it sounds like some kind of error with your DHs record rather than a more general problem.

I will not be getting a vaccine passport. It's a draconian policy and I don't want to be subject to it. If some places will be requiring them, I won't bother going to those places.

AnyFucker · 09/04/2021 15:53

Download the nhs app. Your vaccination record is on there.

Terracotta9 · 09/04/2021 15:54

Why? Do you have a passport? Driving license? NHS card?

Lots of people don’t have a passport or driving license and function perfectly well in society. NHS number is only used when accessing NHS services and its function is containerised.

Very different from having to carry proof of a medical intervention or face being shut out of anything that’s not a supermarket or pharmacy.

Picasso31 · 09/04/2021 15:54

If you live in Wales but had a vaccine in England then it isn't in your medical records (and vice versa). The English and Welsh vaccination IT systems don't communicate so it doesn't end up on your GP record. This will affect a lot of health care staff who had vaccines through work settings 'over the border'

moochingtothepub · 09/04/2021 15:56

It's on your nhs record app (not the covid app) mine appeared after about 3 working days (went to mass centre)

SimonJT · 09/04/2021 16:00

@Terracotta9

Why? Do you have a passport? Driving license? NHS card?

Lots of people don’t have a passport or driving license and function perfectly well in society. NHS number is only used when accessing NHS services and its function is containerised.

Very different from having to carry proof of a medical intervention or face being shut out of anything that’s not a supermarket or pharmacy.

Try getting in to some countries without proof of a yellow fever vaccine.
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paxman · 09/04/2021 16:01

So do you think the NHS will set up a contract with a firm to manufacture and print little cards (like a driving licence?)
I'm just not confident that any plans to do this are far enough advanced to actually produce certificates of some sort that people will be able to use from May.
I'm not interested in the arguments for and against the passports but I was pondering the practicalities earlier today as it has taken so long to get mass testing then the LFTs ready.

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moochingtothepub · 09/04/2021 16:03

It's listed under immunisations (basic info) and under treatments with the full details

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paxman · 09/04/2021 16:03

@Picasso31

If you live in Wales but had a vaccine in England then it isn't in your medical records (and vice versa). The English and Welsh vaccination IT systems don't communicate so it doesn't end up on your GP record. This will affect a lot of health care staff who had vaccines through work settings 'over the border'
That's an example of what I meant- about the practical side.

(not arguing for or against in principle!)

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Gwenhwyfar · 09/04/2021 16:07

Some people don't even have a GP.

Gwenhwyfar · 09/04/2021 16:08

"Lots of people don’t have a passport or driving license and function perfectly well in society."

Yes.
What about those who haven't been called up for the vaccine yet? It's discriminatory if they're rolled out before everyone's had a chance to be vaccinated or if the non-vaccinated have to pay lots of money for extra tests when the vaccinated don't.

RoseAndRose · 09/04/2021 16:15

It's discriminatory if they're rolled out before everyone's had a chance to be vaccinated

Not really, not when evidence of negative test ŵill also count, as will a period after a confirmed infection.

The alternative is holding no events at all, is it not? Which just prolongs the damage to leisure and entertainment sectors

Terracotta9 · 09/04/2021 16:16

Try getting in to some countries without proof of a yellow fever vaccine.

But that’s the point, I can quite happily live my life without ever travelling to a country that requires a yellow fever vaccine.

That’s a lot different from requiring a vaccine in order to go to a restaurant or a clothing shop in my own country.