Vaccine passports aren't possible in practice if

[paxman]

there is no central record of all of the people who have been vaccinated and when they received them.
DH, for example, had his first dose but used the central booking system so he has an appointment card but there is no record on his NHS account that he accesses using the App. Therefore I don't think his GP knows he has been vaccinated.
MIL had hers but was called by the GP and they booked her in so the GP has a record that it was booked. I don't know if the attendance list from the vaccination centre is passed back to the GP.

I can't seem to understand where the data on actual vaccinations people have had is. Therefore I can't understand how any vaccination passport can actually work as there is no central place to check these details?

If you have registered with Patient Access it shows on there. I checked my dad’s and his vaccine is on there (along with his flu vaccination record).

@FlyLight This is from the 5th April review

The Government expects that COVID-status certification could be demonstrated by: an up-to-date vaccine status; a negative lateral flow or PCR test taken at a test site on the same day or the day before their admission to a venue; or by proof of natural immunity, such as through a previous positive PCR for a time limit of 180 days from the date ofthe positive test and following completion of the self-isolation period. We will test approaches to COVID-status certification through the Events Research Programme.

So it doesn't have to be PCR, but it does have to be done at a test site so may as well be. Either way the free LFTs done at home will definitely not be used otherwise people would be submitting negs regardless haha. They will do everything to make it impossible to get around so that the only avenue ends up being vaccination for the majority.

@btwwhichonespink Jesus. Guess I'll be staying in then!

[quote FlyLight]@btwwhichonespink Jesus. Guess I'll be staying in then![/quote]
Yes you and millions of others. Bring on the speakeasy!

If people adopt it and use it to get into venues the government will think it's a success and double down. People are going to have to be bold and hold off going out until the system fails and there is no covid fear in the general population.

@btwwhichonespink too right. I cannot believe that this is even being considered as an acceptable proposition. So it will be 'safe' for me to be in Tesco but not primark? 'safe' to work in a school of 1500 people but not to go to a restaurant? This whole thing is scandalous.

I started a separate thread about this

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/a4215146-World-Economic-Forum-event?msgid=106349329#106349329

btwwhichonespink so far all the other parties have indicated that they're going to vote against covid passports in the form suggested. If we include the very averse back-benchers they are unlikely to have the numbers to get it through.

Unless Johnson rams it through under emergency legislation, and at that point we really should start questioning just what sort of a country we're living in.

@MaxNormal

btwwhichonespink so far all the other parties have indicated that they're going to vote against covid passports in the form suggested. If we include the very averse back-benchers they are unlikely to have the numbers to get it through.

Unless Johnson rams it through under emergency legislation, and at that point we really should start questioning just what sort of a country we're living in.

That question is a year late, if you haven't asked it already.

@MaxNormal I pray you are right but seeing the numbers they are getting for renewing the emergency laws makes me nervous.

And Starmer can't be trusted. He is the same as Boris. No different. Not a socialist or someone who cares about anyone but himself. He doesn't even know what he stands for other than BLM knee taking, the only thing he seems to be unequivocal on. He hasn't once questioned the removal of our civil liberties, only complained it wasn't done more quickly and that more money wasn't given to Labour councils to waste.

@btwwhichonespink I'm nervous too if I'm honest, and like you I have no trust in Starmer.
But I hope and pray there is enough resistance to the idea.

@paxman

there is no central record of all of the people who have been vaccinated and when they received them. DH, for example, had his first dose but used the central booking system so he has an appointment card but there is no record on his NHS account that he accesses using the App. Therefore I don't think his GP knows he has been vaccinated. MIL had hers but was called by the GP and they booked her in so the GP has a record that it was booked. I don't know if the attendance list from the vaccination centre is passed back to the GP.

I can't seem to understand where the data on actual vaccinations people have had is. Therefore I can't understand how any vaccination passport can actually work as there is no central place to check these details?

No there is a central record.

Your GP on the other hand has their own IT system - at one point nearly every practise in the country was different - my other half worked on a huge project to consolidate them all, but it was cancelled as costing WAY too much money.

Your typical GP system is a cobbled together collection of various systems and feeds that barely hangs together.

So it's quite possible if the government get this passport system up and running that Odeon cinemas will know your vaccination status better than your GP!

For those who think covid passes/digital identities are a Boris Brainwave and not an interantional 'plot', here is a summarisation of how this is playing out across the world

www.adalovelaceinstitute.org/project/international-monitor-vaccine-passports-covid-status-apps/

Some people will still read that website and insist this is not some conspiracy. Just a massive coincidence that all these countries thought of the same reprehensible idea at the same time.

Note Trudeau's umming and aahing then realising at the end of the Canadian paragraphs that it's a done deal. Reminds me of the fake debate here, where our politicians categorically ruled them out as unethical and unBritish but a few weeks later 'Boris said they are happening full stop." with literally no evolution between the two positions whatsoever.

There is already a decent system in place for this at lots of people already have to show vaccination certificates when travelling. I don't see why it should be an issue as it is all connected via your NHS number anyway. This is used to access the NHS app so the records will be there. The problem as I understand it is that GPs are not all on one system so it is a bit chaotic at their end, but it doesn't mean they can't access the information.

@btwwhichonespink

If people adopt it and use it to get into venues the government will think it's a success and double down. People are going to have to be bold and hold off going out until the system fails and there is no covid fear in the general population.

There's plenty of people who have held off going out for the last year because other people aren't scared of covid. Why should those people not use the fact they are now vaccinated to start to live again.

btw interesting link

I started a thread about the WEF event - and people are still thinking terms of paper or the NHS app!

@AcornAutumn

btw interesting link

I started a thread about the WEF event - and people are still thinking terms of paper or the NHS app!

Its very interesting reading AcornAutumn- I was only thinking of UK and of a paper/card pass or the App. Forgive my naivety but what or who are the WEF? Its not a Bilderberg type thing is it?

There is already a decent system in place for this at lots of people already have to show vaccination certificates when travelling

Not really. There's compulsory vaccines for twenty largely African countries that are not major tourist and business destinations, and it's a bit of paper with no electronic links.

paxman it's another international NGO

Couple of previous colleagues went to work for them, which is a major career gold star.

They're all much of a muchness but obviously a focus on the economy means tech now.

Here they are

www.weforum.org/

I've just asked DH to check his NHS App and there is no record of vaccination on there.
Maybe it takes more than 6 weeks?

Thanks AcornAutumn.
Who is behind the WEF though?

@paxman

Thanks AcornAutumn. Who is behind the WEF though?

It's all on the wiki page

The event was publicly viewable

Our own Mark Carney is on the board, as is Christine Lagarde, Al Gore.

Is this one of those things where people think a real thing is a CT??!

I must go and watch TV before my heads explodes.

People might know the WEF better as 'Davos', the infamous Swiss ski resort where the meeting has been held for many years.

Every year influential and wealthy people go to hob knob, network and share their vision. Who knows what deals they make.

Boris actually banned anyone from the UK government attending just before the outbreak but usually there are plenty of powerful British people there, including Boris himself on occasion.

Boris describing the WEF in 2013 haha

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-21186386

Only interesting speech at Davos EVER. He wasn't invited back.
www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/02/11/taxing-rich-rutger-bregman-davos