People Refusing Astra Zeneca - What Happens?

[Nootkah]

I've seen an increasing number of people on here and on social media saying they'll go to their mass vaccination centre appointment but if it's Astea Zeneca, they'll refuse. I'm curious as to what actually happens next? They've had an appointment, been offered a vaccine that remains approved for their group, and have declined. Are they "ticked off" the list as "offered" or do they stay at the top of the list for upcoming appointments and continue to be invited?

Yep - you only have to look at MN over the past week to see evidence of this. So many new or name changed posters flooding threads and ratcheting up fear. People seem to be being far more rational in real life, though.

MN should rename the coronavirus board the AZ board as that's all it seems to be about these days.

I just hope the NHS doesn't waste time chasing up people who don't want the vaccine and move onto those of us who do.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Yep - you only have to look at MN over the past week to see evidence of this. So many new or name changed posters flooding threads and ratcheting up fear. People seem to be being far more rational in real life, though.

MN should rename the coronavirus board the AZ board as that's all it seems to be about these days.

I just hope the NHS doesn't waste time chasing up people who don't want the vaccine and move onto those of us who do.

Exactly.

People wasting time when the rest of us want to move on.

Yep - that is what it reliant on ... desperation to move on out of lockdown so if it turns out that a particular group experience a side effect that kills them .... well tough .... greater good and all that.

@Noname99

Yep - that is what it reliant on ... desperation to move on out of lockdown so if it turns out that a particular group experience a side effect that kills them .... well tough .... greater good and all that.

So what age are you? Have you had Covid already?

People are so bad at realising relative risk it’s pretty poor

The sample size for under 40 and female is very small and yet in Europe they realised pretty quickly there was a problem but no ... we don’t want the news. A mixture of weird nationalism around the vaccine because it has an English name in the title and desperation so we will deny it then when it’s apparent we can’t do that any more we’ll admit to 9 then 79 but carry on pretending it’s all ok. Fingers crossed then

@Noname99

The sample size for under 40 and female is very small and yet in Europe they realised pretty quickly there was a problem but no ... we don’t want the news. A mixture of weird nationalism around the vaccine because it has an English name in the title and desperation so we will deny it then when it’s apparent we can’t do that any more we’ll admit to 9 then 79 but carry on pretending it’s all ok. Fingers crossed then

Ridiculous

I totally respect anybody who may be hesitant about taking a vaccine, though I decided to myself.

The vaccines were rushed in terms of timespan through desperation to get society rolling again. They have been in use for a relatively limited period of time. We have no idea about medium/long term effects as yet. I’ve got headaches 5 weeks after AZ, currently waiting on my GP’s response.

Science, which apparently can never do no wrong according to plenty on here, also has lists of drugs which were approved initially, then later withdrawn.

So, no criticism for anybody who refuses from me. Very much a decision for the individual.

Some of these posts seem off anyway.

A lot of stirring

Modern may well have yet unknown side affects for all any of us know.

I'll gladly take whatever is offered but expect that any future doses from today of Pfizer or Moderna will be earmarked for under 30s over people called refusing AZ. The minute they start saying Mrs X would prefer Pfizer/Modern so can come back in 2 weeks time is the moment the roll out gets completely fucked up with regards to roll out.

I saw earlier this week that it is believed we are now reaching herd immunity, so it may be viewed not as imperative to immunise any refuses at this stage.

Going ahead in time, we will probably be able to choose especially of opting to pay, like some people do for the flu jab but right now it's about offering any kind of protection as quickly as possible.

in Europe they realised pretty quickly there was a problem
Absolutely. Severe vaccine supply shortages and 400 deaths a day. They've massively messed up their vaccine rollout, haven't they. I hope they can sort things out asap, although it's shit that their way of trying to solve the problem is by blocking exports of AZ.

@Noname99

The sample size for under 40 and female is very small and yet in Europe they realised pretty quickly there was a problem but no ... we don’t want the news. A mixture of weird nationalism around the vaccine because it has an English name in the title and desperation so we will deny it then when it’s apparent we can’t do that any more we’ll admit to 9 then 79 but carry on pretending it’s all ok. Fingers crossed then

Europe is contravening the advice of its own medicines agency (the EMA). I doubt the latter suffers from vaccine nationalism.

[quote Frazzled2207]@MrsFezziwig

To be fair to @Noname99
She doesn’t want to cancel if it’s Pfizer of Moderna. Having worked at a vaccination centre I honestly don’t know how it’s going to work out to get people on lists for particular vaccines. Going to mess things up entirely![/quote]
Sorry @frazzled2207 I disagree. The aim of the vaccination centres is to get people vaccinated. As I’ve posted previously, the staff at the vaccination centres are not best placed to discuss options about vaccines - they aren’t in charge of vaccine logistics so how will they know where and if different vaccines can be obtained? So basically if it isn’t the “right” vaccine then an appointment slot has been lost. And given the rest of your post you’ve entirely contradicted yourself.

And @Noname99 I haven’t said anything like you should be be forced to have a vaccination you don’t want. Your ramblings about an “authoritarian state” are just ridiculous. Just that the vaccination centre is not the place to be discussing it for the first time if it is important to you.

@PeasPeasPeas

Its perfectly understandable with your history that you would be worried. My mum died of the same thing and my only sibling of sudden onset thrombocytopenia. I had a horrendous reaction to a first AZ dose and my gp is advising against the 2and dose now. I'm in limbo.

From what I'm reading though Pfizer is also causing the same issues. A Miami doctor recently died after getting Pfizer. So it's not straightforward.

Please ignore those idiots on here that dismiss your concerns. They dont have a clue

It's very difficult to even understand how it works.
I contacted my vaccination line about it as my medical history and family history puts me into the avoid AZ vaccination now. Was told I need to wait for my original letter offer, then call and speak to the reschedule line to go to a bigger centre to ensure that I receive the right vaccine. Scotland is quite a bit in the dark ages with vaccine roll out no text and go online to book its wait for a letter ..... 🙄

@Nootkah

Simply put they should go to the back of the queue then.

If it really is the spike protein attaching to platelets & being targeted by the immune system (is there evidence of this?) it will likely be all the vaccines.

MrsFezziwig
And I, at no point, have suggested I expect to be discussing anything at the vaccination centre or expect them to be advising me on anything. My ‘rambling’ as you so kindly put it was to explain that I am only going because they won’t tell me which vaccine they are offering so I’m not cancelling in case it is Pfizer or Moderna. If it wasn’t so ridiculous and they’d just say which one it is, I could cancel before time but they won’t.

@Noname99

Rightly or wrongly I do think going forward there will have to be a system where when booking an appointment for a jab, people know what they’re getting. Otherwise we’ll just get people turning up and sadly turning around when they realise it’s a certain vaccine, and we’ll have potentially wasted jabs at the end of the day.

If you’ve already had the AZ - who knows what having another type could do? Or even if you would need to have 2 of the alternative?

@toffeebutterpopcorn

If you’ve already had the AZ - who knows what having another type could do? Or even if you would need to have 2 of the alternative?

This is what amazes me. Some people are saying they will refuse the second AZ jab but would be quite happy to have a different brand, something which is still untested.

There are too many people on Facebook listening to ‘experts’ if you ask me...

It is irrational

I agree re FB type exposure

Those saying you won't have the AZ vaccine - have you read up on the clot risks as compared to eg the contraceptive pill and pregnancy? Are you avoiding those too? Or the risk of clotting if you get COVID? There is some perspective needed here.

I have had my Astra Z vaccination and apart from very mild stiffness for a few days i had no ill effects. I know some felt a bit rough for a few days. I would say it is worth the very low % risk. The best vaccine is the one in your arm. Watch out as there is strong evidence that a lot of anti vaccination/anti-Astra Z vaccine stuff is being generated by Russian and especially Chinese sources so that people demand their vaccines instead.