Are the rare blood clots associated with AZ linked to an underlying health condition?

[Tonylepony]

Has a link been found between the people who have suffered from these rare blood clots? It seems quite likely the people who have suffered from them are considered vulnerable to coronavirus as the vaccination has not yet been rolled out to younger age groups apart from those in group 6.

Doesn't fill me with confidence that we know what we are doing, possible because the roll of the MHRA was really done by the EMA whilst we were in the EU. No it wasn't. Well, not as simply as that!

The EMA and HMTA shared a building and staff her in the UK prior to Brexit. They were often, to all intents and purposes, a single body. The MHRA played a bigger role than any other national agency, carrying out approximately 30% of assessment, vigilance and licensing, whilst we were in the EU.

Google it, maybe find the 2016 comment by The Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI) Chief Executive, Mike Thompson: "It is clearly in the EMA's interest to continue to draw on [the MHRA's] expertise. It would also be disadvantageous for the EU to be unaligned with the UK as the largest biopharmaceutical cluster outside of the US. The UK Government has been clear that cooperation on medicines is a priority and we urge both sides to come to an early agreement in the interest of patients and public health."

@jasjas1973

Appreciate you are a big fan of the govt/mhra *@CuriousaboutSamphire* but the bottom line is that 4 weeks ago, we had no cases, denied any link and the line was it was a batch issue or a non issue and the inference being these countries were playing politics.

If you have to pharse it like that maybe you haven't got a point! "A fan"? Really?!

What you are describing is real time investigating of an issue.

Denied a link - said there was no evidence of causality, research ongoing. WHich is STILL the case
A batch issue - one of the possible issues being looked at
Playing politics - happened before anythng was known about clotting

You may call that being "a fan". I call it having some clue as to how the process works and not being determined to see scary things, delays, deliberate obfuscation in every development.

Doesn't fill me with confidence that we know what we are doing, possible because the roll of the MHRA was really done by the EMA whilst we were in the EU

It's distasteful how some keep on trying to derail a thread where most are trying to discuss a serious health matter in order to score political points.

A figure of speech @CuriousaboutSamphire thats all, just as i ve been called a fan of the EU, its not meant as a slur.

the point here is 'why was the UK among the last to find any clotting issues' (seemingly linked to AZ)

Its a reasonable question and should be answered (by mhra etc) if faith in vaccine roll out is to be maintained.

Aside, austerity meant cuts to mhra funding from 2015 and whilst of course mhra remained the UK regulator, the ema also carried out many functions too, functions the mhra has to now pick up.

@mustlovegin

Doesn't fill me with confidence that we know what we are doing, possible because the roll of the MHRA was really done by the EMA whilst we were in the EU

It's distasteful how some keep on trying to derail a thread where most are trying to discuss a serious health matter in order to score political points.

The EU did many functions that the UK now has to do itself, i think that is unarguable. so its not points scoring... which seems to be thrown about when certain posters run out of any meaningful argument.

So... you didn't give any thought to the content of that previous post then?

So your "inarguable" is just a lack of knowledge on your part!

I call it having some clue as to how the process works and not being determined to see scary things, delays, deliberate obfuscation in every development.

I appreciate posts that do this esp as you have insight.

Only a little @MarshaBradyo Just enough to know how long things take, to see the porcdures that must be in place to get the data they get as quickly asthey get it.

I don't see the point in not acknowledging it, in trying to traduce it even!

Anyone can google the facts. And if/when you get caught out by bastard reporters or a misunderstanding (as I have been, by jasjas too) you just put your hands up and acknowledge it. You don't keep on going regardless, do you?

I hate it. You can see on so many threads - a discussion starts, information is provided, lots of questions asked, lots of discussion. Then "plop" and here comes someone with an opinion, a personal agendan and they just undermine everything, no matter what the cost to any other reader, no matter how little actual evidence they have, or inclination to learn anything!

The lovely Dr Chris Smith said on the BBC this morning, that if you were ok with your first vaccination, you've proved that you'll be ok with your second.

I don’t understand how the lively Chris Smith knows that.

@PandoraP

I don’t understand how the lively Chris Smith knows that.

He probably read the JVCI data!

@CuriousaboutSamphire, I just read a question and answer session about the AZ vaccine with someone from the Norwegian health institute and his answer to the same question was “we don’t know yet”

[quote PandoraP]@CuriousaboutSamphire, I just read a question and answer session about the AZ vaccine with someone from the Norwegian health institute and his answer to the same question was “we don’t know yet”[/quote]
That too would make sense. I suspect that is was the JCVI data was too, from what they said yesterday. Not enough evidence of increased risk to be wary, but still looking as 2nd jabs increase.

@Cornettoninja I have parents that like in HK. Only 2 vaccine is available sino vac and pfizer. Up to may March 23rd. 9 people developed Bells Palsy. 8 from after taking sino vac and 1 from pfizer. Although the government is saying theres no link. But bearing in mind upto 23rd march only 400k people or less as I remember from the figures, had been vaccinated. Split 250k sino vac and 150k Pfizer. The uptake in hk for sino vac has been very poor.. Within the the first 10,000 vaccination 11 people died shortly after.. so that really put fear amongst its people. There also alot of disinformation about Pfizer too over there almost pro beijing loyalist.. which is filtering out to people that live there. It's all a bit messed up over there to decipher some of the data. But the deaths and bells palsy is definatley a concern. You can find some news about it if you google bells palsy hong hong..

hongkongfp.com/2021/03/25/two-more-deaths-another-nine-temporary-facial-paralysis-cases-after-covid-vaccinations/
Heres a link to a article on sino vac and bells palsy.

They just don't know yet. I'm really hoping they look into it and find something urgently. If they could identify a factor they could obviously exclude that group of people and then crack on with the vaccination programme (including the second doses people won't be getting) with confidence.

The problem is if they DO NOT find anything.

Would anyone currerntly not persuaded think "Oh, ah well it's just pot luck" and have the vaccine?

Would this currently relying on their 'gut feeling' etc ascribe the lack of findings to some cost: benefit analysis, some ulterior motive?

Would the conspiracy theorists find some weird and wonderful explanation.

The chances are as likely that there is no causality, or a negligible one, as they said yesterday. No evidence means something very different to many people!