Vaccine or no vaccine? Opinions please

[gonewiththegin]

I am mid thirties, female with no existing health conditions. By no means an anti vaxer but I feel very uneasy about getting the jab.

I am aware it’s for the benefit of others more than myself, after all I’ve spent the best part of a year wfh and in complete isolation from anyone not in my household. I feel I’ve done my bit, I protected the vulnerable when there was as no vaccine. Now there is one and they’ve all had their first jag.

I think they government is aware the younger generations with no health conditions will likely have the same opinion as myself hence the talk of vaccine passports for gigs etc. IMO this is blackmail and a lot to people who were not planning on having the jag now will do so purely so they can go on holiday.

Is there something I am missing? Should I just get the jag and be done with it, it should I reject on the basis that I am fit and healthy.

[quote gonewiththegin]@Frustratedbeyondbelief you have deliberately taken that out of context- it was in reply to a post that specifically mentioned measles and the likelihood of catching them once vaccinated. That has nothing to do with my decision to not get the Covid vaccine.

@OpheliasCrayon Very easy for someone who absolutely cannot get the vaccine to tell me I absolutely must.

I would never tell someone online or in person what they should or shouldn’t do regardless of my thoughts/feelings. I asked for opinions and I am grateful for those who posted without contempt.[/quote]
As I said I'm not telling you for anything to do with me. I haven't shielded so that's my issue and I don't expect someone to get vaccinated on my account if I've not done what I was advised.

If I wasn't at risk if death from reactions to drugs then yes I would have it without a thought.

You asked for opinions and those were mine. If I sound comtemptful then so be it because yes I feel that if people don't have this when they can it's pretty selfish. I've seen what you're thoughts and feelings are and that's my view on it.

ophelia “If I wasn't at risk if death from reactions to drugs then yes I would have it without a thought”

So the rest of us younger women should subject ourselves to a vaccine known to cause issues in younger women just to protect you?

@Roonerspismed

ophelia “If I wasn't at risk if death from reactions to drugs then yes I would have it without a thought”

So the rest of us younger women should subject ourselves to a vaccine known to cause issues in younger women just to protect you?

No. You've not read what I've said

I said in both my messages, I don't think anyone should do anything because of me. I chose to ignore the shielding advice and have not done so and have worked etc throughout. Therefore no I don't think anyone should get a vaccine because I personally can't. That would be hypocritical.

As I said in my original post though is there are huge numbers of people , including the children and young adults I work with , who are vulnerable to covid and very much DO need to rely on herd immunity....and so yes anyone who can have the vaccine should for people like them. And if I could I certainly would.

@lurker101

I’m younger than you, no medical conditions, wfh etc. and jumped at the chance to have the vaccine. I trust scientists, regulators and HCPs to do their jobs to give me a safe and effective vaccine so had no worries, and if it prevents me from being one of the tiny number of people my age being seriously ill great and if it helps prevent me from passing it on to someone more vulnerable than me great. Sometimes we have to act in each other’s best interests to protect each other, I’m more than happy to do my bit to make sure other peoples kids can go to school and peoples parents and grandparents are exposed to less risk of a serious illness.

Other people’s kids have been going to school? Kids have been going to school? So have school staff who have been pre vaccination. And year groups are still getting sent home despite kids being tested. Most school staff still aren’t vaccinated. If the elderly are vaccinated... aren’t they less exposed?

In august- the thing to do for the greater good was to go on holiday and eat out to help out.

Wearing thin. I’ll take my chances at this stage as I’ve worked throughout and am at the end of a very long list anyway. The fear is over. We have to live with whatever it is

What knowledge, experience or qualifications do you have that make you think you know better than the medical and scientific community around the world on the subject?
They are agreed that everyone who can be vaccinated should be, so I can’t understand the arrogance needed to think you know better?

I think it is a public duty for all of us (who can) to get the vaccine, it protects us and it protects everyone around us who can't be vaccinated (e.g. children, adults who can't be vaccinated, vulnerable communities).

For those that don't care about their community, from a selfish perspective, your odds of getting long Covid or worse will be a lot higher than being harmed by the vaccine. As someone with ME, I can tell you that you REALLY don't want Long Covid - it can last forever, and ruins your life.

If you were a mathematician or a statistician, you'd have the jab. You are never 100% safe in anything you do, accept that, face it. Your chances of dying in a car accident are 1 in 103. Has that ever stopped you getting in a car? No? Well, that should tell you how ridiculous you're being.

@ImTheWolfToday initially they agreed it would only be the elderly and the vulnerable, now it’s everyone who is eligible. The goal posts keep moving. Worth nothing that this time last year we were being told to wash our hands and herd immunity was the government’s proposed method of dealing with Covid. I have absolutely no faith in the government and I won’t be coerced with a vaccine passport to get the jab for something that for the majority is not life threatening and for those who is have of eligible already been offered the first dose.

[quote gonewiththegin]@ImTheWolfToday initially they agreed it would only be the elderly and the vulnerable, now it’s everyone who is eligible. The goal posts keep moving. Worth nothing that this time last year we were being told to wash our hands and herd immunity was the government’s proposed method of dealing with Covid. I have absolutely no faith in the government and I won’t be coerced with a vaccine passport to get the jab for something that for the majority is not life threatening and for those who is have of eligible already been offered the first dose.[/quote]
If this was something from the government ... why is the Eu planning on vaccinating everyone ? Why has Israel done so ? Why USA is allowing in some states to vaccinate 18+ do they all have the same bulling plan ? Are you happy to risk your health (long COVID )?

I did a bit more digging. In New York, they found 0.8%-1% of people who died of Covid were 18-45 with no underlying health conditions. So basically if you personally get Covid, there is a 1/100 chance you'd die. So actually getting in the car is only slightly less dangerous to you than Covid. HOWEVER, your chance of dying from this vaccine complication is 7/18000000 or 0.000038%. to put that in perspective, you are more likely to die of a lightening strike.

As I said my partner was totally against and now with all the talk of vaccine passports has decided he will get it purely so he won’t miss out on gigs etc later in the year

This is where I think people like this should pay for a vaccine. They aren’t doing it for the good of their health, just for a good time.

@Plumedenom no it has not, I have never been pressured by anyone else to get in a car though. If we are talking statics then for 45 years and under 20 Scots have died due to Covid. So I’ll take my chances with the virus

@TreacleTits so you want everyone vaccinated but you only want them to do it for the greater good? How ridiculous! I’m assuming the majority of people chose the vaccine for their own peace of mind. Sounds good saying oh I don’t this for everyone but the reality is very different. Also impossible to police the people doing it for a ‘good time’ to make them pay

@RebeccaCloud9

Also, I've seen a few people say jag. Is that a typo or do some people call it a jag not jab?

It’s Scottish, I’m Scottish and don’t like it either. I say jab, jag makes my teeth itch.

OP I think you should have it. None of us are protected unless we’re all protected.

@RedcurrantPuff no need to be pedantic. I say jag, you prefer jab. Hardly post worthy. For what is it with the entitled posters on MN?! Hope you aren’t all this rude I real life 😂

No one is pressuring you to get the vaccine. You do whatever you want. Just pointing out how ridiculously risk averse you are being. The government is having to do these horribly paternalistic vaccine passports because unfortunately a lot of people can't see the difference between a 1/100 and a 4/10000000 risk. The fact people would take the risk in order to go to a concert, but not to save their own and others' health just says it all really!!

A lot of my students have had Covid. Most were fine, but some had a very bad time of it, and were ill for weeks. A couple have had long Covid since last year and are now unable to do much. These are people in their twenties. It’s a lottery.

Same here. In fact, the student worst effected was in her early 20's. She has developed a heart condition as a result of having Covid. She's had to be resuscitated twice and currently needs help to shower as she finds that too exhausting.

Just get the vaccine and stop being so bloody selfish.

Plus even if you get it mildly it’s still a massive pain in the arse. Not able to go out for 10 days. I would have the jab to minimise the risk of that if nothing else!

Also your comment about jabs and not having all of them/the list being endless makes no sense. Unless your parents were anti vaxxers you’ve probably had loads already. We don’t get routinely vaccinated against illnesses which are not considered threats to the public health of this country. Which is why you won’t get vaccinated against yellow fever for example unless going to a country where it’s a problem.Covid is a threat to public health here so makes sense to be vaccinated.

[quote gonewiththegin]@RedcurrantPuff no need to be pedantic. I say jag, you prefer jab. Hardly post worthy. For what is it with the entitled posters on MN?! Hope you aren’t all this rude I real life 😂[/quote]
I was responding to a specific poster, I wouldn’t even have mentioned it either. Everything isn’t always all about you!

Either = otherwise.

@RedcurrantPuff All the offered jabs myself and my child have had. I meant if they started introducing them for any or all potential illnesses that I was very unlikely to catch I would at that point start to decline based on probability. I see no difference with this vaccine. If anything the passports to try and sway my decision had made more determined to sit it out, if the evidence was sufficient they wouldn’t have to resort to such tactics

So I have had both doses as I couldn’t bear the thought of getting covid and developing long covid or of catching covid and in turn infecting someone I loved (who had been vaccinated)

Ultimately I know people my age and younger who have long covid and it’s been utterly miserable for them (1 is a friend who decided against vaccine and has lost smell and taste etc). I know of people my age and younger who have had covid and it’s left them feeling rough but okay and I have a number of friends whose parents and loved ones have died off covid who only wish they could have had the vaccine!

Personally I can’t wait to get out of lockdown and travel and see people and i know the main way out was the vaccine so I was happy to have it

if the evidence was sufficient they wouldn’t have to resort to such tactics

Where did you get your doctorate in immunology?

It’s only on Mn I’ve read of people not taking up the vaccine. I don’t think Mn represents real life where people can’t wait for their date to have the vaccination.

[quote gonewiththegin]@RedcurrantPuff All the offered jabs myself and my child have had. I meant if they started introducing them for any or all potential illnesses that I was very unlikely to catch I would at that point start to decline based on probability. I see no difference with this vaccine. If anything the passports to try and sway my decision had made more determined to sit it out, if the evidence was sufficient they wouldn’t have to resort to such tactics[/quote]
But you’re only very unlikely to catch illnesses like diphtheria/whooping cough etc because of vaccination in the first place.

You’re also not “very unlikely” to catch Covid. It’s not a certainly but it’s also not low enough prevalence for it to be “very unlikely” you’ll get it.

I have no idea what you mean with your comment on vaccine passports and the evidence being sufficient. Evidence on what?

I’m more than happy to have a vaccine passport if that’s what helps me get a life back. It’s much less an infringement on my civil liberties than the crap we’ve had to endure this past year in my view.