Page 7 | Vaccine or no vaccine? Opinions please

RedcurrantPuff · 06/04/2021 08:39

Also why post on here in the first place as if it was a genuine question and you were on the fence, it’s plainly obvious you’ve decided not to have it.

Babdoc · 06/04/2021 08:43

OP, as PPs have pointed out, this comes down to three basic arguments.

Even as a young person, you are at risk of long Covid. This is NOT just an inconvenient bit of fatigue. This can be permanently disabling lung and/or heart damage. I was previously healthy. I am now breathless at 100 yards and have been for over a year, since I was hospitalised with Covid. There have been case reports of young fit (one was a personal trainer) people who are still bedbound six months after contracting Covid.
Many people cannot be vaccinated due to immunosuppressive illness, allergy, etc. You remain a risk to their lives if you are unvaccinated and a potential source of infection.
The more people like you who refuse a vaccine, the bigger the pool of possible Covid mutations when you all get ill with it. It just needs one variant that turns out to be vaccine resistant, and we will be back to lockdowns and another 120,000 potential deaths. How can you live with your conscience, knowing you are risking inflicting that on all of us?

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gonewiththegin · 06/04/2021 08:44

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1419392/astrazeneca-vaccine-uk-ban-blood-clots-investigation-MHRA-covid-vaccine-latest-uk-lockdown/amp

And this is why I will wait. Imagine having had the vaccine and then they ban is as it’s ‘complicated in younger people’. When I am confident the vaccine carries no risk to myself or my child then I will take it.

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TheJerkStore · 06/04/2021 08:45

am trying to read up as much as I can to make an informed decision.
Regarding this, I read some excellent research on how information on vaccines is presented. Most of the information on the internet is anti-vaccine but is presented in a way that makes it look official and medical. In some cases you need to dig quite deeply before you can see that the website or 'research' is actually funded by anti-vaxx groups.

EasterIssland · 06/04/2021 08:47

@gonewiththegin

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1419392/astrazeneca-vaccine-uk-ban-blood-clots-investigation-MHRA-covid-vaccine-latest-uk-lockdown/amp

And this is why I will wait. Imagine having had the vaccine and then they ban is as it’s ‘complicated in younger people’. When I am confident the vaccine carries no risk to myself or my child then I will take it.

exactly wait and see what MHRA says as so far this has only been one person on tv saying what could happen, not actually what MHRA has said

Bumpsadaisie · 06/04/2021 08:48

@gonewiththegin

I am mid thirties, female with no existing health conditions. By no means an anti vaxer but I feel very uneasy about getting the jab.

I am aware it’s for the benefit of others more than myself, after all I’ve spent the best part of a year wfh and in complete isolation from anyone not in my household. I feel I’ve done my bit, I protected the vulnerable when there was as no vaccine. Now there is one and they’ve all had their first jag.

I think they government is aware the younger generations with no health conditions will likely have the same opinion as myself hence the talk of vaccine passports for gigs etc. IMO this is blackmail and a lot to people who were not planning on having the jag now will do so purely so they can go on holiday.

Is there something I am missing? Should I just get the jag and be done with it, it should I reject on the basis that I am fit and healthy.

I think what comes across in post is the idea that you have no risk and no vulnerabilities.

Yes you're very unlikely to die of it but plenty of younger folk have it badly for a few weeks and others have long covid.

I had the vaccine as I don't fancy being ill for two weeks and having had a long covid post viral thing as a student I certainly don't fancy having that again!

Also it is for the benefit of others.

RedcurrantPuff · 06/04/2021 08:48

@gonewiththegin

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1419392/astrazeneca-vaccine-uk-ban-blood-clots-investigation-MHRA-covid-vaccine-latest-uk-lockdown/amp

And this is why I will wait. Imagine having had the vaccine and then they ban is as it’s ‘complicated in younger people’. When I am confident the vaccine carries no risk to myself or my child then I will take it.

So that’ll be never then, as nothing carries no risk. Will you also decline any other form of medical treatment for you and your child as well?

TheJerkStore · 06/04/2021 08:48

When I am confident the vaccine carries no risk to myself or my child then I will take it.

So that will be never then. Nothing is completely risk free.

PinkTonic · 06/04/2021 08:50

By no means an anti vaxer but

You are a sceptic at least.

All of your reasoning is based on your perceived personal risk from Covid and you also have a certain attitude, the “I’ve been deprived to save the vulnerable” narrative. We are over a year into a pandemic, we’ve all lived through this horror. Its not going away any time soon. It’s not about individuals. Every time someone catches the virus there is a risk that a mutation will arise which poses a threat to everyone else and the vaccine programme. Unless there is a very specific reason not to be vaccinated, you should be. What is your reason?

MisgenderedSwan · 06/04/2021 09:16

I'm mid-30s, have been testing weekly since September with never a positive test and work in healthcare. I'm just back from getting my 2nd vaccine. My overwhelming feeling is relief.

No one can tell you what to do. You need to consider the evidence and make a decision. It is better on a global scale for more people to be vaccinated, same with every disease which has been drastically reduced or eventually eliminated. It helps protect young and old who can't be vaccinated for whatever reason. My personal risk was always low but I am pleased I am now less likely to spread it to someone whilst unsuspectingly carrying it asymptomatically.

Quit4me · 06/04/2021 10:19

@bravefox

Even in your 30s you're far more likely to react badly to COVID than you are to have any prolonged react to any vaccine

And you know that how??

Boringlynormal · 06/04/2021 10:26

Also, I've seen a few people say jag. Is that a typo or do some people call it a jag not jab?

It's Scottish. It's irritating if you're not Scottish. Just ignore it.

What? Why is it irritating if people use a different word in part of the United Kingdom?!

Boringlynormal · 06/04/2021 10:27

OP, I’d wait and see what you are offered and when and what we know about it by then. You don’t have to decide now.

RedcurrantPuff · 06/04/2021 10:36

If only where was scientific data and statistics on these things, @Quit4me

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 06/04/2021 10:39

In New York, they found 0.8%-1% of people who died of Covid were 18-45 with no underlying health conditions. So basically if you personally get Covid, there is a 1/100 chance you'd die.

There’s a compelling case to be made for vaccination, but this is not a correct interpretation of the data at all.

TreacleTits · 06/04/2021 11:58

[quote gonewiththegin]@TreacleTits so you want everyone vaccinated but you only want them to do it for the greater good? How ridiculous! I’m assuming the majority of people chose the vaccine for their own peace of mind. Sounds good saying oh I don’t this for everyone but the reality is very different. Also impossible to police the people doing it for a ‘good time’ to make them pay[/quote]
Of course it’s impossible but it’s ridiculous to treat the jag like a free access pass into a show.

It’s not about peace of mind, it’s about trying to stop people suffering in so many ways! You’ve got people in here telling you how long covid has affected them and the people they love. It’s real, why won’t you believe it? Why are you trying to be some big rebel?

Quartz2208 · 06/04/2021 15:29

gonewiththewin is this about the AZ vaccine or vaccines in general because you could get the Janssen one shot vaccine given your age.

The impact of lower turnout in the under 50s on vaccines is set out in modelling

www.gov.uk/government/publications/imperial-college-london-evaluating-englands-roadmap-out-of-lockdown-30-march-2021

And it really does matter in terms of transmission drop

NotNowFGS · 06/04/2021 16:34

If younger people choose not to have the vaccine it will be because they receive the risk of the disease to be low for them personally. That makes me cross.

However, The likes of OP make me fizz. We have vaccinated in excess of 30 million to date and with a handful of deaths. The risk of complications arising from Covid to individuals, is far greater. Not to mention the risk to the general population if we do not achieve herd immunity through vaccination.How many people do we have to vaccinate before OP and others like her are satisfied to go ahead? And so what if this shitty government is "blackmailing" folk with the threat of vaccine passports? You can always refuse the passport, but to not have the vaccine is cutting of your nose to spite your face. I don't trust Johnson, nor his government but I do trust the amazing team at Oxford who, based on years of expertise developed a vaccine in record time, and it's working.

OP, have the vaccine or don't have it, but if you don't please stay at home because if you are out and about you will catch it and spread it and help create the conditions for potentially very scary mutations. I'm sorry if you think that's rude or contemptuous or whatever but I've no time for antivaxxers and that's what you are,

sleepwouldbenice · 06/04/2021 16:37

If you don't want it up to you but please let your gp know so it can be quickly passed on to others desperate in the queue
Thanks

bookworm1632 · 06/04/2021 16:50

@gonewiththegin

Because I am not at risk of any serious side affects if I were to catch covid. I haven’t until now- socially distancing, limiting contact and wearing I mask are reducing the risk.

Nobody can say that as the cause of covid severity in younger patients is not understood. Regardless, good health and youth doesn't preclude long-covid which can have life-changing consequences.

I have a very good friend who's not yet hit 30, who had long-covid and for six months she was pretty much bed ridden. No previous medical concerns of any kind. She's much better now, but for a long time she didn't know if she'd ever recover.

It's a complete myth that covid only affects "the vulnerable".

HarrietOh · 06/04/2021 17:04

I’m early 30s and had a headache with covid and that’s it. Lots of fit friends all younger than 40 (I know through gym) who’ve had it also the same.
A lot of those friends have also had the vaccine, due to their jobs, and have reported fevers, aches, feeling like crap for a day or two etc.
This stuff with the clots, I’m not really happy with. Yes COVID can be worse but it wasn’t for me, so now I have to put myself potentially at risk from suffering side effects to protect myself from a virus that only caused me a headache.

steppemum · 06/04/2021 17:20

OK, the problem with your logic is this.

You say - the vaccine is a risk so I won't take it.
What you fail to realise that without the vaccine, you are at a higher risk from Covid.

Because that feels like something we have avoided for the last year, it doesn't feel like a 'real' risk.

Interesting figures on radio 4 'More or Less' programme last week.

Every week 2 million people ar evaccinated, if all 2 million of those postpone their vaccination for one week due to concerns, then 5 of them will die of Covid.
If the same 2 million people gte vaccinated tomorrow, then one or fewer will get a blood clot.

So, by doing nothing, your risk of dying is 5x higher than if you get a vaccine.

Bluntness100 · 06/04/2021 17:27

Seriously? 😂

You have no understanding of how the vaccine reduces transmission so cannot grasp why that would be hugely beneficial at large events, pubs etc to protect public health and you think it’s only being put in to black mail anti vaxxers into getting it? And think you’ve “done your bit” and are “not at risk” .

Um, ok. Don’t get it, stay home. You do you whilst your partner cracks on and has some fun. Or,,alternatively. You could educate yourself?

Bluntness100 · 06/04/2021 17:29

Op you’ve clearly decided not to get it. In fact you’ve already stated it. So why start a thread?

Just stay home unvaccinated, crack on.

NRCS · 06/04/2021 17:33

OMG do we really need ANOTHER "shall I have the vaccine but really I have no intention of" threads?! Just read one of the other daily threads where people will tell you to have it and you will continue not to want.