Vaccine jabs every 6 months?

[Susan333]

Matt Hancock along with other government advisors have suggested that the vaccine may need to be administered every 6 months with Autumn boosters already being prepared for this year. I just wondered if everyone will be keen on taking them every few months if required and whether we will get the same enthusiasm as we have had for this current takeup of the vaccine?

I suppose it will become a routine where we pop down to get the vaccine every few months and become a norm of modern day life

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n664

You don't take medical injections for " freedom", you take it for your health .. the mindset of some people is actually quite terrifying when they think it is acceptable to have to take a vaccine every few months to function in society for " freedom".

Presumably you won't be getting the vaccine then? Or allowing your sons to have the rubella?

For the harder of thinking on here..

Covid is extremely contagious, far more than flu. There has been no flu season this year because the precautions we have mostly been taking have almost stopped it transmitting.

Millennials probably won't die of covid. Long covid is not fun and does cause damage. Actually flu isn't fun either.

The vaccine is optional, and of course not offered to all adults yet.

@murbblurb

For the harder of thinking on here..

Covid is extremely contagious, far more than flu. There has been no flu season this year because the precautions we have mostly been taking have almost stopped it transmitting.

Millennials probably won't die of covid. Long covid is not fun and does cause damage. Actually flu isn't fun either.

The vaccine is optional, and of course not offered to all adults yet.

The idea that despite protests, supermarkets bustling to breaking point, parties etc that flu has been magically eradicated despite thousands "dying of covid " where these measures haven't worked must win the award for the most naive poster of the year. Nothing to do with the fact that someone in hospital who has flu and covid passes away in old age that would normally have succumbed to flu has died of covid I suppose. If someone has flu, they are likely to have covid in hospital where it is rife.. guess which one goes on the death certificate? There will have been thousands of deaths from flu as there is every year that have been lumped into the covid basket- this has been confirmed to me by my own GP!

As far as the vaccine being optional.. there is nothing optional about a vaccine where you can't live or function in society without it needing a passport to do so

@titchy

You don't take medical injections for " freedom", you take it for your health .. the mindset of some people is actually quite terrifying when they think it is acceptable to have to take a vaccine every few months to function in society for " freedom".

Presumably you won't be getting the vaccine then? Or allowing your sons to have the rubella?

I havent seen any passports required for the Rubella jab or do you propose they are introduced as well?

I havent seen any passports required for the Rubella jab or do you propose they are introduced as well?

You posts imply you think the only reason to have the vaccine is for your freedom. You've conveniently forgotten about the 125k dead and hundreds of thousands extremely ill.

My point was the vaccines are NOT given to allow you freedom. They are given because it is in the best interests of both individuals and / or public health. My example of rubella is that it is given to boys because it benefits pregnant women, not because it benefits them as individuals. So the concept of having a vaccine for public rather than individual benefit is not a new one.

Will you have the vaccine?

Annual deaths have been far far far higher than normal. And that's despite lockdowns. If your GP is writing covid on death certs when the cause is flu they need reporting btw. Fortunately that's not happening. I can imagine you having a little rant to your GP though and your GP just smiling and nodding.

@titchy

I havent seen any passports required for the Rubella jab or do you propose they are introduced as well?

You posts imply you think the only reason to have the vaccine is for your freedom. You've conveniently forgotten about the 125k dead and hundreds of thousands extremely ill.

My point was the vaccines are NOT given to allow you freedom. They are given because it is in the best interests of both individuals and / or public health. My example of rubella is that it is given to boys because it benefits pregnant women, not because it benefits them as individuals. So the concept of having a vaccine for public rather than individual benefit is not a new one.

Will you have the vaccine?

There haven't been 125 k dead from covid which has been discussed to death on other threads. A 95 terminally ill elderly person who was expected to pass away in 2019 and died with covid in their system in 2020 has not " died of covid". A person dying less than 28 days after a covid test came back positive of other things but counted as a covid death as it fit the legislation of being within 28 days has not "died of covid"

www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/21/nearly-a-third-of-recent-covid-deaths-were-not-caused-by-covid/

So. 98 year old man who could have had a couple more years of life isn't worth thinking of?

I've seen that written a few times and have never felt the need to type it myself; until now.

If covid is on the death certificate, then covid has been a contributory factor to the death. Doctors aren't adding covid to death certs for shits and giggles. And there are far more people with covid in their death certificate than the official 'died within 28 days of positive' measure.

And there have been far more deaths than normal. Not a few more. Not more but still within statistical norms. A lot more.

So yeah, boring old facts actually do back up what the science says. Which is covid is responsible for 150k and counting deaths.

My own personal health is a consideration for me having a vaccination but my biggest motivation is it’s impact on the chances of enduring further lockdowns and restrictions. If having my vaccination means that this last year is unlikely to be repeated then I’ll happily have a booster every year for the foreseeable if necessary.

Fuck me, MN hard of reading. I did not say no flu.

This forum is a waste of time for any kind of sensible discussion. I'm lucky enough to have one of my two vaccines. I still won't be in the pub.

A person dying less than 28 days after a covid test came back positive of other things but counted as a covid death as it fit the legislation of being within 28 days has not "died of covid"

That’s far too simplistic without knowing in detail the damage caused by covid.

Regardless, there are a lot of deaths absolutely not counted because they pass the arbitrary ‘28 days’ but are almost certainly due to the impact of
a covid infection.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/01/almost-third-of-uk-covid-hospital-patients-readmitted-within-four-months

“Nearly a third of people who have been in hospital suffering from Covid-19 are readmitted for further treatment within four months of being discharged, and one in eight of patients dies in the same period, doctors have found”

Either way, it fucks up the healthcare system.

Matt Hancock is an idiot. Does it require someone to actually explain that at this point in time?

Boosters are common for all sorts of reasons. Delivering them is highly unlikely to be the logistical nightmare that initial roll out started out as - we are fortunate in having a massive integrated healthcare system in the UK that can and has already adapted to this; and we haven't even begun to use much of the potential infrastructure that could be available. For example, many large employers (like my own) can deliver vaccinations at work - many already do.

Great, an annual vaccine for something that is mild/asymptomatic for the vast majority of people. I really didn’t think people were this easy to manipulate. I’ve been proved wrong.

As far as the vaccine being optional.. there is nothing optional about a vaccine where you can't live or function in society without it needing a passport to do so

Oh FFS stop being dramatic. If some form of passport becomes necessary for certain aspects of life in the UK, then you will quite certainly still be able to live and function in society. You make it sound like you will be put in solitary confinement. Essential shops, public transport etc will not require them - you don't need to go to the cinema, pub or sports ground, so if they choose to introduce them then that is up to them. And as for travel - you already need a passport, which you must pay for; and there are already vaccinations compulsory for travel which, if you do not have them, certain countries will not allow you to enter, so that is no change there (except that it is likely to be many more countries that won't let you in).

You will quite definitely be able to both live and function. Past that, if you choose to let others (you know - those others that are the majority of "society") take the miniscule risk of vaccination to protect themselves, you and everyone else, whilst you are perfectly willing to contract and transmit a disease that has a higher risk (albeit still quite small) of serious illness or death, then I think that is up to "society" - and I think you will find that the vast majority of people are entirely willing to support your right to not have the vaccine, and their own right not to have to mix with you in places you don't need to go.

Right, because a two tiered society where some people can do whatever they want while others have to ‘make do’ with what’s available to them is really fair.

How do vaccine passports prove anything anyway? Just because you’re vaccinated doesn’t mean you’re immune. You could still be a risk to others. If you’ve recovered from infection you have immunity too. And to pre-empt those saying ‘it doesn’t last as long’ - we have more data on immunity after infection than after the vaccine but that’s not stopping you from thinking that the vaccine is somehow superior.

Ah well! If it ever happens you can weigh up the pros and cons again, can't you?

Right, because a two tiered society where some people can do whatever they want while others have to ‘make do’ with what’s available to them is really fair

You think all aspects of society was completely fair and available to all pre-pandemic or is this a new-found concern?

@bumbleymummy

Right, because a two tiered society where some people can do whatever they want while others have to ‘make do’ with what’s available to them is really fair.

How do vaccine passports prove anything anyway? Just because you’re vaccinated doesn’t mean you’re immune. You could still be a risk to others. If you’ve recovered from infection you have immunity too. And to pre-empt those saying ‘it doesn’t last as long’ - we have more data on immunity after infection than after the vaccine but that’s not stopping you from thinking that the vaccine is somehow superior.

Oh grow up. There are already tiers in society, and ones that are much less fair than one based on a freely made choice. Try being poor and see how fair the "tiers" are then! Poor people have to make do with what's available to them all the time; including being at greater risk of ill health and premature through Covid and all other causes, and having a lower life expectancy than average simply because of their poverty.

And had you bothered to fact check you would know that the proposals - because nothing has been finally determined yet - suggest that the "passport" could include people who have immunity as a result of infection (within the previous six months is being suggested), and also those who can't have the vaccine. Nobody thinks that being vaccinated is "better", and nobody has said that either confers immunity. There is evidence - a growing body of it too - that vaccination reduces transmission and significantly reduces serious infection and death. There is, unfortunately, not yet sufficient evidence that natural infection does anything to reduce either - try googling Manaus to see how well most people already having had the virus works out for a society.

I love how entitled middle class people suddenly find "tiers" in society unfair when it is them losing out on things they don't need because of choices that they have made. You'll still be able to go to work, buy essentials, and travel. You will also have the privileges that the rest of us have earned for you by not having lockdowns and being able to mix with family and friends in your own homes, outside, and many other places. A very few non-essential places may choose not to want you. That's tough. And entirely reasonable. Your choice not to comply - theirs not to want to have you. Is free choice only unfair when it is you making it?

@Moondust001 there was a study recently showing that natural infection reduces transmission too.

If you listened to the debate in parliament a couple of weeks ago about the petition against vaccine passports you would have heard several ministers talking about it creating a ‘two-tiered’ society and the problems that would create. It’s a shame you’re blind to them. You come across as more intelligent that that - aside from telling people to ‘grow up’.

Low income and certain ethnic minority groups are less likely to take the vaccine too so do you think the passport idea is going to make things better for them? Or are you ‘middle class’ enough to not actually give a crap but it makes you feel good to pretend you do?

@bumbleymummy

Low income and certain ethnic minority groups are less likely to take the vaccine too so do you think the passport idea is going to make things better for them? Or are you ‘middle class’ enough to not actually give a crap but it makes you feel good to pretend you do?

Oooh! The distractions and assumptions in there!

@bumbleymummy there was a study recently showing that natural infection reduces transmission too.

That makes perfect sense. I’ve seen some coverage suggesting that if a vaccine passport was introduced for domestic use (not certain yet), it will not be a vaccine passport, but an immunity passport, i.e. you get the green light if you’ve had a confirmed Covid infection within a certain period, not just vaccination.

Is that better? Opens the non-essential things up to more people.

The downside is that it may result in some people deliberately setting out to get themselves infected in order to get the green light without the vaccine, i.e. putting themselves at risk.

Distractions? It was discussed during the debate in parliament. I’m not the one trying to justify vaccine passport tiers by saying there are already tiers based on income. The solution to that isn’t to pile on more restrictions that will impact certain groups more than others.

The downside is that it may result in some people deliberately setting out to get themselves infected in order to get the green light without the vaccine

Yep. I could see that happening. Coronavirus parties. Maybe the cruise ships should get in on that?