Anyone else regretting their choice to get vaccinated?

[onthetracks]

I had my first vaccine 4 weeks ago (AZ)
I was really put off my having it and didn’t feel 100% happy, but since I’m clinically vulnerable to Covid and I also look after my elderly grandmother who is Clinically extremely l vulnerable, i thought it was the right thing to do.

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

I’m terrified that I’m going to develop a blood clot and die.

I know this may sound irrational, which is surprising for me as I’m usually able to rationalise things.
But I can’t help feeling that it’s all been a bit rushed.
We’re all so desperate for normal life that we’ve jumped at the chance to be injected with something that we don’t actually know is safe.

Only now that millions of people are having the vaccine are we being alerted to adverse effects.

I’m really starting to regret that I’ve had the vaccine and I honestly don’t think I will go for my 2nd jab. 😣

At present I don't regret my decison not to have the vaccine in this case (and for most other vaccinations I am very pro vaccination).

However for this poster she had the first jab and was fine. it is very unlikely anything bad will happen resulting from this first jab as it's in the past for her now.
Anyone with side effects should notify that officially online via the "yellow card" system so the state can build up a full picture.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall do you mind me asking what made you decide to have this particular vaccine, even though you are generally anti-vax?

@pinkearedcow

OhLookHeKickedTheBall do you mind me asking what made you decide to have this particular vaccine, even though you are generally anti-vax?

Sorry I've confused you. My terrible english. Im anti the antivax. Pro vax didn't sound right.

Take some low dose aspirin if you are worried

Why would someone recommend this to someone who is worried about a thrombocytopenic related thrombosis risk with the vaccine?

From the PIL for aspirin: Rare side effects (may affect up to 1 in 1,000 people) brain haemorrhage; altered number of blood cells.

And contraindication from the SmPC includes: - coagulation disorders such as haemophilia and thrombocytopenia

And rare effects (≥1/10,000 to

Oh, that explains it OhLookHeKickedTheBall!

This is a quote from BBC news:-

So, the real question is: Are the risks worth the benefits?
Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated.
However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus.
If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die.

So, the real question is: Are the risks worth the benefits?
Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated.
However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus.
If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die.

This ^^

People don't understand statistics and probability. It's how the medical profession works. They weigh up the risk of a drug treatment/surgery against no treatment (or surgey vs drug treatment/therapy)

As a rational, logical thinking person I don't understand why anyone can't understand that as the risk of dying from covid is over 6,000 times higher than the risk of dying from the vaccine, it makes having the vaccine more risky than getting the disease

(figures from my earlier post - based on actual deaths so far)

I’m taking part in the Zoe study - have had the first vaccine and am due the second shortly. Spent yesterday at a local vaccination centre as a volunteer. The attached may be useful for people wanting more information.

covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-vaccines-myths?mc_cid=9ee7e49cfc&mc_eid=4381ea9585

@MRex thank you for your really informative comments on this thread. I'm anxious about the vaccination and it's not something you can talk to about with anyone really as you get called stupid, selfish and an anti vaxxer. Bullying people into it really doesn't help relieve that anxiety. And I've had Covid and still (3 months later) suffering with long Covid. I'm in no way anti vaccination, but I think being anxious and asking questions is completely normal.

@RampantIvy

So, the real question is: Are the risks worth the benefits? Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated. However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus. If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die.

This ^^

People don't understand statistics and probability. It's how the medical profession works. They weigh up the risk of a drug treatment/surgery against no treatment (or surgey vs drug treatment/therapy)

As a rational, logical thinking person I don't understand why anyone can't understand that as the risk of dying from covid is over 6,000 times higher than the risk of dying from the vaccine, it makes having the vaccine more risky than getting the disease

(figures from my earlier post - based on actual deaths so far)

The stats can be rolled out as much as people like, you cant enforce medical treatment on someone that doesnt want it- no society should ever breach autonomy of your own body. The chances of someone under 30 dying of covid are tens of thousands to one, you can't order them to take a jab which has a tiny chance of killing them because of your risks as an older person or granny smith at number 22

I regretted it the day after when I felt like shite but otherwise no.

No. If it is eventually shown to be vaccine related it's still a much smaller risk than covid. Have you read how many people admitted to hospital are being readmitted later and how many die? Do you know just how many parts of your body covid can mess up? Until they find out why some people get covid mildly and some die of it I'll take the vaccine.

30 reports of clots
7 deaths
Out of 18 million doses.

There's no research to suggest that the clots were brought on by the vaccine.
In fact - if you look at the number of deaths by blood clots, it's actually higher in people that haven't had it (pre Covid).

It's an astronomically small number, and no cause for concern. As I mentioned - every 37 seconds someone dies of thrombosis, and this research and numbers is all pre Covid.

Please stop spreading fear, and please people get your vaccines.
My Dear aunt passed away in November of a blood clot, after being hospitalised with Covid. The likelihood is, she wouldn't have needed to be in hospital if she'd had her vaccine.

Please do more research than reading the daily mail and panicking strangers on the internet.

@Susan333 I'm not saying that people should have enforced medical treatment. I'm just puzzled that people can't understand the statistics. The vaccine is still a much smaller risk than the disease.

1. autonomy - yes and I don't think I've seen any proposals in the UK for mandatory vaccination. I don't think mandatory vaccination for HCPs has happened yet but there is precedent, AFAIK, Hep B was routinely mandatory before.

2. From the statistics I saw, I think the risks of dying from COVID for any adult age and combination or absence of COVID risk factors hugely exceed the risks of dying from CVST from AZ vaccination. That is without factoring in the amelioration or prevention of 'long COVID' effects which seems to be the main concern of healthy adult HCPs in our practice.

@Zilla1

1) autonomy - yes and I don't think I've seen any proposals in the UK for mandatory vaccination. I don't think mandatory vaccination for HCPs has happened yet but there is precedent, AFAIK, Hep B was routinely mandatory before.

2. From the statistics I saw, I think the risks of dying from COVID for any adult age and combination or absence of COVID risk factors hugely exceed the risks of dying from CVST from AZ vaccination. That is without factoring in the amelioration or prevention of 'long COVID' effects which seems to be the main concern of healthy adult HCPs in our practice.

A vaccine passport stopping you working , travelling and living any kind of productive life is mandatory unless you think people can just grow their own food off grid like castaway

[quote RampantIvy]@Susan333 I'm not saying that people should have enforced medical treatment. I'm just puzzled that people can't understand the statistics. The vaccine is still a much smaller risk than the disease.[/quote]
Yes, but the disease is a really low risk for some people as it is. Some people are happy enough taking that incredibly low risk.

[quote RampantIvy]@Susan333 I'm not saying that people should have enforced medical treatment. I'm just puzzled that people can't understand the statistics. The vaccine is still a much smaller risk than the disease.[/quote]
The stats from the BBC implies 1 in 50 60 year olds die from covid but the mortality stats don't bear that out.

For a 20 year old there is more chance of being run over by a car than dying of covid, why would anyone in that age group think the risks of that are worth feeling like shit for several days , potential missed periods, stress/worry of the vaccine compared to no worry of covid whether it's justified or not. Everyone has their own approach to risk and reward and the ones pushing the vaccine relentlessly are doing it due to being terrified themselves or doing it " to open the economy up"

Nice summary yesterday from some scientists assessing the MHRA reports:
www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-latest-weekly-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting-following-covid-19-vaccination-published-by-the-mhra-including-updated-numbers-of-cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis-cvst-and-other/

Dr Peter English explains the possible impact of reporting bias really well:
“The report found that there were 22 reports of CVST out of a total of 18.1 million doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca given. That’s about 1.2 cases per million doses given. Given that the background rate of CVST – at least according to this reference – is one case per 3-4 million adults per year, that is very close to background rates, and is far from being strong evidence of causality.

“It is hard to postulate a mechanism by which a vaccine could cause this particular clotting disorder, but not many other clotting disorders.

“There are many rare conditions, so, just by chance, you would expect to find an excess – more cases than you would expect – for some of them if you compare two large groups of people.

“You only know if there is an excess in adverse incidence reporting, such as the UK Yellow Card system or the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), if you know the background rate of the condition.3With rare conditions, especially when, like CVST, they are hard to diagnose, this can be a challenge.

“Once a condition becomes associated in people’s minds – regardless of whether the exposure (in this case, vaccination) actually causes the condition – doctors are more likely to look out for the condition in people who’ve had the exposure; and to ask about the exposure in people who have had the condition. This can causereporting bias, with the condition being diagnosed or suspected, and reported, in more people who’ve had the vaccine, just because it’s being looked for, and with more assiduous questioning about vaccination in those in whom the condition is diagnosed. Remember, it is a“difficult diagnosis”, suggesting it may often be missed, and if you look for it more carefully in one group than another, you are likely to find more cases in the group where you look more carefully."

What about the thousands of cases of missed periods- all just down to stress no doubt @MRex and young people are expected to do this every few months apparently

I had my first dose of the Astra Zeneca vaccine about a fortnight ago. Group 6 because of underlying health conditions.

I’ll admit to finding the recent headlines about blood clots etc worrying.

But when I’m looking at the numbers of reported cases, and the known risks of having Covid, my risks of dying if I catch Covid are much higher than the odds of getting one of these rare blood clots from my vaccination.
And the odds of me getting long Covid or other complications if I catch Covid is even higher.

Plus there’s Covid going around my local area, there’s been cases in one of the local schools recently, and there’s a few houses in my road (close enough to see from our windows) with confirmed Covid cases at the minute. So the chances of me catching Covid in the near future feel a lot higher than I’m comfortable with.

So while I’d undoubtedly be feeling happier about the vaccine if these blood clots weren’t a thing, when I’m thinking about the risk / benefit of the vaccine, it’s still coming down firmly in favour of me getting the vaccine.
If anything, I’m sorry that I’ll have to wait so long before getting my second dose and the full protection that the vaccine can offer.

I've got mine booked in next week, I'm unsure which brand it will be.
I do feel slightly worried, especially after reading this thread BUT being a primary school teacher I will feel much safer once it's done.

So not mandatory then.

I hadn't realised being (sub-consciously?) terrified was the driver for trying to help some people understand the probability of dying from CVST from AZ vaccination was massively less than the probability of dying from COVID. I'm not sure dragging in the probability of an independent event, being run over by a car, helps your argument, except to demonstrate a fairly loose understanding of risk and probability.

@MRex, nice post.

If you want 100% safe, life doesn't work like that.

Good interview on the news earlier with a professional who gave lots of information, and was clearly despairing at the foolishness of the public when asked to assess risk.

Your call though, I don't think vaccines should be mandatory although I'm all for vaccine passports once all adults have been offered a jab. Choices have consequences.