Anyone else regretting their choice to get vaccinated?

[onthetracks]

I had my first vaccine 4 weeks ago (AZ)
I was really put off my having it and didn’t feel 100% happy, but since I’m clinically vulnerable to Covid and I also look after my elderly grandmother who is Clinically extremely l vulnerable, i thought it was the right thing to do.

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

I’m terrified that I’m going to develop a blood clot and die.

I know this may sound irrational, which is surprising for me as I’m usually able to rationalise things.
But I can’t help feeling that it’s all been a bit rushed.
We’re all so desperate for normal life that we’ve jumped at the chance to be injected with something that we don’t actually know is safe.

Only now that millions of people are having the vaccine are we being alerted to adverse effects.

I’m really starting to regret that I’ve had the vaccine and I honestly don’t think I will go for my 2nd jab. 😣

It’s messed up my menstrual cycle so yes I’m having doubts

Had mine 5 weeks ago. 2 days of side effects. Not a single regret.

I shall look forward to my next one.

@Dustyboots you're talking shite again. Stop plucking random facts and figures out of thin air and relaying them as gospel on the internet. Seriously, it's boring now.

As for this,

"DH is a doctor (I know posters are going to accuse me of lying so believe what you will) but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members."

😂😂😂😂 no, it's really not "well known in medical circles". Your DH talks rubbish too. Stop lapping it up.

[quote Rainbowsandstorms]@partyatthepalace I don’t think it’s fair to start calling people selfish idiots for questioning taking the second vaccination. Anyone who has had the first is clearly pro vaccination and has taken it to keep them and others safe. I hate all this just take the vaccination it’s safe blanket response. We are talking about a vaccination where a number of countries have paused its rollout due to concerns while they investigate. It is not unreasonable to want more information before having a second dose. It’s not being anti vax to want more safety data regarding a new vaccination where the side effects are still being established and concerns have been raised. I’m not due my second dose for 11 weeks and I will assess the data closer to the time and use this to make an informed choice just as I would with any other risk I take in life but please don’t demonise people who are concerned.[/quote]
@Rainbowsandstorms

I’m going to repeat it all again

• there is no evidence the blood clots are statistically significant
• Az is built on existing science - it’s not a new concept
• what we do know is Covid is a killer - and even worse than that, lockdown is a killer
• the vaccination programme depends on as many people as possible having the vaccine to protect everyone and allow us to crawl out of this economic and social hellfire

There are plenty of people whose job it is to assess the vaccine and they are doing it, it will get tweaked going forward, but it has been passed as safe.

You can’t ‘assess’ it, because you aren’t qualified to - no medication is without any risks but this one is no more dangerous than many others you take without thinking - something you would understand if you were in any way qualified.

You only job is to do your bit to claw us all out of this global crisis by taking the bloody vaccine.

Not to do is is selfish and stupid.

[quote denverRegina]@Dustyboots you're talking shite again. Stop plucking random facts and figures out of thin air and relaying them as gospel on the internet. Seriously, it's boring now.

As for this,

"DH is a doctor (I know posters are going to accuse me of lying so believe what you will) but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members."

😂😂😂😂 no, it's really not "well known in medical circles". Your DH talks rubbish too. Stop lapping it up. [/quote]
This is also A grade bollocks

I know plenty of doctors and in no way do they not want AZ for themselves or their families

the vaccination programme depends on as many people as possible having the vaccine to protect everyone and allow us to crawl out of this economic and social hellfire

The vaccination program was originally intended to reduce the strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to end up in hospital.

For most people this is a mild/asymptomatic illness and people who have recovered are also immune and are therefore contributing to herd immunity. A successful vaccine campaign will reduce hospitalisations and deaths and not everyone needs to be vaccinated for that to happen.

I'm very pleased I have had my first AZ jab last week and will be getting my 2nd in June. The stories about clots were well publicised when I had it, didn't bother me in the slightest. But you are well protected from your first jab so if you are really against a second jab no one will be forcing you to take it.

As others have said, the pill, pregnancy and the immediate post partum period have a far higher risk of death by similar blood clots even if the link is demonstrated to be causal (which it hasn't yet). You're only worried as the reporting had over inflated your assessment of the risk level.

and NONE among Pfizer recipients. Coincidence? I doubt it.

The Pfizer demographic is smaller, and different. That likely why there is a difference.

Something like automated texts or calls could be used. I'm sure many of us regularly see follow up 'customer service rating' text after contacting our bank, insurance companies etc.

That data would be useless. If after the event you ask people “did you have a reaction” people are more likely to report “yes, I had a sore toe” when it had nothing to do with the jab. The yellow card system has worked fairly well until now, it just needs to be better advertised.

The vaccination program was originally intended to reduce the strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to end up in hospital.

I don't think that's correct. Last year the government negotiated with many different vaccine manufacturers, and made it known that they had enough doses to vaccinated the entire uK population. Not just the vulnerable groups, although they would be the priority

@bumbleymummy

the vaccination programme depends on as many people as possible having the vaccine to protect everyone and allow us to crawl out of this economic and social hellfire

The vaccination program was originally intended to reduce the strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to end up in hospital.

For most people this is a mild/asymptomatic illness and people who have recovered are also immune and are therefore contributing to herd immunity. A successful vaccine campaign will reduce hospitalisations and deaths and not everyone needs to be vaccinated for that to happen.

@bumbleymummy

No, the vacillation programme, both in this country and all around the world, was always designed to be a mass vaccination programme. We live in a globalised world and it is the only way to prevent spread and mutation and allow lockdown to lift and the economy to get going.

We do not know how long immunity lasts from Covid so we cannot rely on that. We don’t know know how long the vaccination will last either, given the new strains developing, but the system can extend to booster jabs to deal with that.

@partyatthepalace interesting though that the people who are far more qualified than you in numerous countries have chosen to pause the roll out while they investigate. Germany are advising that people don’t have their second doses, again I believe the people who have made this decision are also far more qualified than you. I don’t think there is a right or wrong and I believe it’s complicated. I know the risks are small and I’m definitely not saying that people should be scared to get it either. However you’re saying we should all just bow down and do as we are told despite there being varying views between experts. There are concerns and I will make my personal choice based on the information that comes out over the next couple of months. I want to know what the risk is as a woman in my 30s, not what the generalised risk is for people of any age or gender as this hasn’t been seen in older people so the 30 in 17 million tells me very little about my personal risk. There are two different things at play. The scientists will look at the greater good for everyone involved and the odd casualty along the way is ok. I will be looking at my own personal risk as a Mum with two small children. The bottom line is that there may well be safer vaccinations for younger women, all medications have subsets of people they are unsuitable for and to deny this is ignorant. You do realise that sometimes medications are withdrawn after being rolled out? I’m in no way anti vax but I won’t blindly take the second dose without making an informed decision based on the available information this doesn’t make me selfish or stupid.

The vaccination program was originally intended to reduce the strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to end up in hospital.

No, the vaccine campaign is intended to eradicate Covid as far as possible.

For most people this is a mild/asymptomatic illness and people who have recovered are also immune and are therefore contributing to herd immunity. A successful vaccine campaign will reduce hospitalisations and deaths and not everyone needs to be vaccinated for that to happen.

Immunity from having Covid is not currently thought to be as effective as the vaccine, nor can we be certain it lasts as long which is why people who have had it are still advised to have the vaccine.

The reasons to stop the spread are numerous. Avoiding mutations so new vaccine and drug resistant variants don’t appear. Variants could also be more deadly and affect younger, healthier people. Asymptomatic and mild cases still need to isolate, as do their contacts so the economy will suffer as workplaces are decimated, restrictions will go on longer. It isn’t just about protection of the NHS.

I think the risks of getting a blood clot from the vaccine is very, very small. But I understand the concern. I've not had my vaccine yet, I'm ok with having the AZ one but I'm concerned when my mother (living in a different country obviously) receives hers. She doesn't fall under any of the priority categories or vulnerable categories set in that particular country but she has a lot of different medical conditions that make her vulnerable to pretty much anything... I'm hoping she will be offered pfizer but even if she gets AZ I think it'll be better than having covid.

To me, if the choice is between the current shit existence and taking a low risk vaccine then I'll take the vaccine. The way things are right now isn't living, it's existing.

@VaVaGloom of course, and I'm not saying we shouldn't do this, I'm simply saying it might not need to take years and years to develop things effectively.

@boxingdayagain

The vaccination program was originally intended to reduce the strain on the NHS by vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to end up in hospital.

I don't think that's correct. Last year the government negotiated with many different vaccine manufacturers, and made it known that they had enough doses to vaccinated the entire uK population. Not just the vulnerable groups, although they would be the priority

I’m talking about the rollout in the U.K. We were originally told that after vaccinating the most vulnerable groups who were most likely to be hospitalised we could come out of lockdown allowing us to ‘crawl out of this economic and social hellfire’ as the PP stated. That move and recovery was not dependent on everyone having the vaccine.

Lockdown was to prevent the nhs being overwhelmed. That baton has now been handed off to the vaccine. The risk of hospitalisation in the younger/healthier groups is tiny so whether they are vaccinated or not will make little difference to us being able to open up again.

@partyatthepalace
I’m not sure if you are aware but your bullying and patronising attitude is more likely to discourage people from having their first or even second jabs. How dare the ‘plebs’ be concerned and want more transparent information. I for one would like to know what the incidence of Thrombosis and Thrombocytopenia occurring after coronavirus vaccination is in 20-30 year olds by gender along with the amount vaccinated in that age group and the current death rate from Covid in the same age group. I’m certainly not coming from an anti vax perspective - I had mine 5 weeks ago, but please appreciate there are people out there with genuine concerns - belittling them and brushing a potential problem under the carpet is not helping anyone and long term could do damage to any other non Covid vaccination rollout as trust could be lost.

It's worth noting a comment from the German researcher who found these cases:
Greinacher expressed astonishment that their findings were being used to justify restricting the vaccine. “People being severely sickened by covid-19 outnumber those who suffer from the vaccination reaction by several orders of magnitude,” he said. “To stop or to avoid vaccination only for the fear of getting an extremely rare, adverse reaction would be completely wrong.”
www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n883

@YoshimisMum - Thrombosis risk is actually lower with either of the vaccines (unclear why) and Thrombocytopenia now looks slightly higher with AZ - though still at the level of incredibly rare.

@Bakeachocolatecake2day

FGS, there have been no deaths....Stop reading stuff on the internet and do your own research from proven sources.

Clots are in the normal range for the age group of people (i.e. not related to vaccines)

1. Yes there have been deaths so that is just a blatant lie.
2. Only a few million women under 50

Have had the vaccine so far in the UK. 30 instances of this rare brain clot and we haven’t been given the ages or sex of those 30. If the majority are women under 50 then it’s very much NOT in the normal range for this rare brain clot

@MintyMabel

Immunity from having Covid is not currently thought to be as effective as the vaccine, nor can we be certain it lasts as long which is why people who have had it are still advised to have the vaccine.

What are you basing that on? Recent studies have shown that in the majority of people., immunity after infection lasts over 8 months and it's expected to last longer. Yes, people who have previously been infected are told to the the vaccine anyway because they 'don't know' how long natural immunity will last and it's easier to vaccinate everyone rather than test for pre-existing immunity. That doesn't mean that natural immunity is somehow inferior.

We will not be able to avoid new variants. It's a virus - it mutates all the time. The B.1.1.7 strain arose from a case in a chronically infected immnosuppressed person. And mild/asymtomatic cases aren't going to be a problem when the most vulnerable groups are vaccinated. We are not going to continue testing for this forever. There was a report the other day saying that a significant number of people aren't being tested and aren't self isolating anyway. If the hospitals aren't being overwhelmed it will be 'business as usual'. We need to move on from this.

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[quote EKGEMS]@onthetracks I'm a front line healthcare worker in the US-my employer helped develop the Moderna vaccine-I took the Pfizer vaccine (2nd jab in January) three weeks later I was struck swiftly with symptoms of Covid at work and sent home-I was tested multiple times all negative results. I've had a severe systemic inflammatory response to the vaccine and am now a Covid long hauler. My heart,thyroid, liver are all affected. My resting heart rate was 120 beats a minute initially. I have a fever most days. I've been evaluated by primary care, cardiology, immunology and endocrinology. My echocardiogram and ekg are normal (just fast) I'm on five cardiac medications to bring my pulse down. I've started Covid rehab this past week. I've been out of work two months and three days. The first five days my temp was 102 Fahrenheit. My doctors believe it's the vaccine. I did what I thought was safe and responsible by taking the vaccine. Idk when I'll be back at the bedside. Please don't let me scare you I post because I want others to realize the risks. [/quote]
I am so sorry this has happened to you, when you did what was advised and I wish you all the best in your recovery and thanks for speaking out, it must have been hard.

@HuxleyPigPanic Your kind words are much appreciated.