Brazil

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Did anyone see the new report last night ?

So I know our government is donating to Covax, so is there international help from WHO to help them ? What is going on ? Are anyone like the Red Cross helping ?

To the next poster who mentions

It’s just flu
It only affects old people
Herd immunity
Lockdowns are inhuman
It only affects a small percentage of people.

Just watch the film
I am aware it’s a different variant but that can happen anywhere.
Those poor people
And their ignorant leader.

I agree, which makes me wonder where all the discussions about the other deaths in the world are? If we're all so concerned about people's suffering, why is covid the one and only thing people seem to be able to focus on? Even within the 'current health climate' where is the concern for people who are suffering and struggling because they have no income, no job, no education

Because a situation killing 4-5k people a day through carelessness is appalling. And akin to genocide. Which is a worldwide concern.

@TheDailyCarbunkle

What I don't understand is why a virus raises such outrage when situations in which governments actually kill their own citizens, in their hundreds of thousands or even millions, goes unremarked upon and even unnoticed.

I suppose at least the 'it'll create variants' crowds are obvious about the fact that they care about the effect on themselves.

Is it that people want to point to other countries and feel superior? Why is death from a virus so much more noteworthy and murder and genocide? Or for that matter why are deaths from covid so much more of a focus and a tragedy than the hundreds of thousands of deaths from HIV? Is it because HIV is seen to be under control in the UK and so not a problem we're interested in? Is it because the hysteria of HIV is over and now it's just background noise?

It's amazing how selectively people pick their tragedies and concerns.

why are deaths from covid so much more of a focus and a tragedy than the hundreds of thousands of deaths from HIV?

2019 - GLOBAL HIV deaths ~ 690,000

Covid deaths currently well in excess of 3 million despite all the efforts to limit infections.

I agree, which makes me wonder where all the discussions about the other deaths in the world are? If we're all so concerned about people's suffering, why is covid the one and only thing people seem to be able to focus on? Even within the 'current health climate' where is the concern for people who are suffering and struggling because they have no income, no job, no education

There is plenty of concern and discussion, if you’re wondering about MN specifically then start it if you can’t find it.

We can’t start every conversation acknowledging a list of every current issue in the world. If you have an particular cause that’s bothering you, start/join a discussion about it because trying to derail conversations on another topic does nothing but dilute your point.

I didn’t see a report but have heard figures on radio

I think it shows what the outcome could be if little action taken

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I agree, which makes me wonder where all the discussions about the other deaths in the world are? If we're all so concerned about people's suffering, why is covid the one and only thing people seem to be able to focus on? Even within the 'current health climate' where is the concern for people who are suffering and struggling because they have no income, no job, no education

Because a situation killing 4-5k people a day through carelessness is appalling. And akin to genocide. Which is a worldwide concern.

I don’t like to do score an own goal, but there are genocides in recent history and currently ongoing that don’t attract a quarter of the discussion that this has. The Papua conflict has been going on since the 60’s and most people don’t have an opinion...

Even so, I don’t believe in stifling conversation because there are comparably worse situations. There’s no superiority in supporting or having knowledge of one situation because there is invariably always something just as ‘worthy’ and ‘deserving’ of being highlighted.

Well I’m not an expert on areas of genocide🤷🏼‍♀️

@Heathermary1995

Are you convinced that all countries are reporting deaths accurately ? Russia have already been fought out telling blatant lies .

And if you read my post I never said who was the worse country .

Their situation just looks particularly bad at the moment . Their field hospitals can’t cope . The age of people in hospital is not all elderly people . They have no lockdown . Their leader is in denial .

I was asking what covax or other organisations were doing ? I would like to donate for example if the Red Cross are out there .

If you are posting to deny they are in a very serious position at the moment and just to make this political then I can’t see the point .

@TheDailyCarbunkle

What a pointless post .

This is in the coronavirus section and you have no idea what topics any posters on here have been involved in .

And for other posters I never commented on worldwide figures or deaths per capita .

I was commenting on a news report . That’s all .

So stop trying to use the thread for pointless comments .

@Rollercoaster1920
Thank you for your comments .

I know very little about the demographics of the country . So your post is interesting .

7 000 000 people died of starvation across the world in 2020. I don't see everyone being outraged about that and saying that 'SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE'!

@Heathermary1995

“ gain this thread shows the utter brainwashing done by main stream media.. people do realise that the number of deaths per person is lower than that in the UK? Presumably not

Deaths per million in brazil 1523
Deaths per million in UK 1860

Dont let that get in the way of another preaching thread though”

This thread is NOT preaching , it was a discussion
I never mentioned deaths per capita and I am not an expert on how the population is with regards to density etc so would never make assumptions in that respect

I never commented myself on whether lockdowns are or are not inhuman , I said that for those who do , the film is an example of what can happen.

@99victoria

And another one . FGS a everyone is free to comment on anything that happens in the world and they do .

Sorry if the thread offends you but it’s in the corona virus section

That’s where people discuss the virus .

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH

I'm not saying the situation in Brazil isn't awful - I agree, it is. It's a shame Bolsanaro didn't get the virus much more seriously than he did unfortunately.

I was simply making the point that it is true that we are selective about what we find acceptable and what we don't. No-one has ever suggested that we turn the whole world upside down to end poverty and starvation but we had effectively done so over covid. However we try to justify it, it does make hypocrites of us all

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I agree with the person on Reddit who said it is a humanitarian disaster. The UN need to go in.

And also it’s a breeding ground for variants.

Whilst I agree that it is a disaster (a) the UN cannot "go in" without an invitation from the country (unlikely to happen) and (b) you are assuming that UN intervention is a good thing. The last time the UN "went in" in that region is was to support Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. They introduced a strain of cholera unknown in the area previously, due to poor hygiene standards amongst the UN camps, which resulted in the disease spreading across the whole of Hispaniola and even to other island in the area. It is estimated that nearly 1 million cases of cholera were cause, and some 10,000 deaths.

Sorry wrong thread, I've reported myself

Are you convinced that all countries are reporting deaths accurately ?

They probably aren't so looking at excess deaths is more reliable.

My brother lives in Brazil, he says it's pretty much life as normal except schools are shut & masks worn outside. Bars & restaurants are packed, no distancing etc. He rarely goes out, luckily he can work from home.

Covid deaths currently well in excess of 3 million despite all the efforts to limit infections.

True.

Malaria - an estimated 219 million cases a year and around half a million deaths a year. An estimated 28% mortality rate according to WHO. Most deaths are babies and children. And we've known how to limit and treat malaria for a very long time - and more recently how to prevent it through new vaccines that most at risk people can't afford.

There is utterly no doubt at all that our greatest investment and concern is in diseases that might kill us, not in diseases that might kill them. If Covid was limited to poorer countries then most of the "developed world's" people would probably never have heard of it. And care even less.

One also needs to remember that there is strong evidence in parts of Brazil to suggest that Covid has been "weaponised" with idiots deliberately transmitting the disease as a method of wiping out indigenous Amazonian people who stand in the way of profit. Many of those involved have had at least tacit support from the government and many Brazilians. It just never occurred to them that in pursuing such a policy they were actually spreading a disease that would kill them too, largely because they believed that it was far more dangerous to the indigenes than to themselves.

Is there a list of things we need to have posted about, or charities we should have donated to before we are allowed to discuss covid in Brazil?

As it happens, there’s a fair amount of poverty and starvation in Brazil. A situation that is unlikely to be helped by rampant covid and overwhelmed healthcare systems. The same could be said of HIV, malaria and any number of other healthcare conditions that cause huge numbers of deaths in areas where access to healthcare is patchy at best. None of these things are completely unlinked.

OP: I'm going to use another country on another continent thousands of miles from the UK with a completely different demographic to prove that I think lockdowns are a good thing.

MNers: Point out differences

OP: This is a discussion so you're supposed to discuss in a way that agrees with my agenda!

@diwrnachoflleyn

There are plenty of reports in the scientific papers about lockdowns and whether they are successful or not .

We are NOT a the only country in the world to have lockdowns
I NEVER said Brazil was PROOF that lockdowns don’t work
I am open to discussion I said thank you to posters who actually gave interesting facts or inside knowledge about Brazil

Perhaps all you experts should contact ITV a news and the new scientist magazine if you think the situation in Brazil is not worrying ?

@diwrnachoflleyn

I don’t have an agenda

The report prompted me to look into the COVAX situation to see how that is working .

Not from me
No agenda
From the new scientist . Which backs up the tv report .

BRAZIL is facing the biggest health system collapse in its history, according to researchers at Brazilian health institute Fiocruz, as the country records its highest number of weekly deaths since the pandemic began. Meanwhile, Chile has been forced to impose strict new lockdowns to cope with a severe second wave of infections, despite having mounted one of the world’s fastest vaccine roll-outs.

Brazil recorded 18,164 deaths last week, bringing its total to more than 300,000, a higher toll than any other country except the US. Many of the country’s intensive care units have reached capacity. “The lack of medication, materials and intensive care beds are turning the situation into chaos,” says Renata Pieratti Bueno, a doctor who works across three hospitals in São Paulo. The shortages and a lack of trained personnel are causing unnecessary deaths, she says.

Brazil’s mortality rate for SARS-CoV-2 is already high: 8 out of 10 Brazilians intubated as a result of the virus have died compared with a global average of 5 out of 10, says Fernando Bozza at Fiocruz, which
is based in Rio de Janeiro.

Information from hospital admissions suggests the virus is hitting more younger people, says Raphael Guimarães at Fiocruz. He says there has been a surprising increase in the number of 30 to 59-year-olds needing hospitalisation. “It means that the pandemic in Brazil is reaching the younger population,” he says.

The P.1 variant of the virus may be to blame for the high case numbers in Brazil. Studies suggest the variant has mutations that help it evade antibodies from previous infections or from vaccination, and thus may be able to reinfect people who have already been infected.

Despite a lack of viral genetic sequencing in Brazil, the samples that have been analysed show the variant is now dominant in some regions. “We have to strongly consider that P.1 is causing the increase in the number of cases right now,” says Nuno Faria at Imperial College London.

Researchers at Fiocruz have called for stricter measures, including lockdowns to reduce non-essential activity, increased use of face masks and social distancing.

However, Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro has consistently criticised lockdowns, saying they will hurt the poor, and has publicly referred to regional leaders who impose them as “tyrants”. The president told supporters at an event in Goias on 5 March that the government regretted the deaths, but there had been “enough fussing and whining

Sure, you don't have an agenda. 😂😂😂

Good cut and paste skills do not a discussion make.

@diwrnachoflleyn

Sure, you don't have an agenda. 😂😂😂

Good cut and paste skills do not a discussion make.

In fairness neither do comments like that. What’s that adding?