mass mask-free shopping trip

[oldegg123]

Even though I don't agree with it, I get the rationale of sneakily breaking lockdown to see family/friends and opening businesses when it's still illegal.

This on the other hand is just such moronic unnecessary behaviour?!

twitter.com/L4L_UK/status/1376273061238964226

@trappedsincesundaymorn so sorry for your loss

@loulouljh

What if those dreadful unmasked people were actually healthy???!!!! God forbid. Seriously. Get a grip!!!! Death is not stalking people at every move.

You're the one who keeps getting worked up!!!!??!?1

abuse exempt people receive is entirely because they're lumped in with anti-maskers - people see no mask and immediately assume selfish idiot

People are responsible for their own behaviour. The ones refusing to wear a mask are responsible for their own behaviour so it follows that those dishing out abuse are responsible for their own behaviour too. You cant have it both ways

Maybe a stupid question, but is the video even real?

@NearlyAlwaysInsane

Maybe a stupid question, but is the video even real?

Widely reported in MSM. Tesco have confirmed that it was their store in Chelmsford and they called the police

uk.news.yahoo.com/protesters-mask-free-shopping-trip-tesco-supermarket-150222620.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAINwWxNwqk0PCkFGlYzpNzXo9ETUW3dPV4hbSgowhw2ZVU89eIBnpA5Uwwy50NaTbl4by6tDGTcE1AdIUTt_AQwrz6ljiju2kNE7mLgBdophLWo6W628_dt0sP_qokvC2-fLiwAcfu4Ae0UMzJRGuqR6AqR9znxpfwe2TYXfKUC8

Arranging something like this and turning up in a group is embarrassing, I would be mortified if I knew any of them.

Basically - they look like ignorant dickheads.

Jo99996-No one is being selfish. This whole your lack of mask is killing me needs to stop. Anyone who wants to wear one should and they then should wear a proper one which protects the wearer.

Tell that to the surgeon doing your next operation.

It's a completely different thing

Masks in surgery have 2 main functions: to stop the surgeon getting spattered in the face with pus/blood/debris and safety theatre to reassure the patient.

My sources:

•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=v1SrIhgnOnVNc00DSfPrevVNA_3QOglt0jkadVq4Z7gvTK4FkIxek2YZFmDlttnn-6Tek37kdb7q4HRuhLmrFaJN0NrgQLHCoeh6_1ul5sE~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ritter et al.</a>._, in 1975, found that “the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=NIlVF9OyMftZNzQE5JLqGf4njHc2beHd7lYPsjBFvGk-spNhLGGM8gNereSWQnu9Tsp1MNR7IrhQjwIo3R0mMxjzHt_0xRS2fpD3uFyKYSs~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Ha’eri and Wiley</a>y_, in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under the microscope. “Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=PSiUH9Y0bjPZzSwM_bBSs_UzCkJWyeBYBgzYJpyd5NM1vKdeLT2NEq0iArz2ToD5hJdQX2N75kO5YzSfaDP6sGOer78WlfQP6vOeJdDCIBU~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Laslett and Sabin</a>n<span class="underline">, in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. “No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used,” they wrote. <a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=Zr2X8rz3F4IHqhbwpS7SFNw79aDkxaY9nV3QtuM1ZL9ezrnd9xr6_DI-12TUZ-gId3SkCrH0Y_pF2jzsUWMfMmHmpMeEEaDvT14Brmbsxc4~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Sjøl and Kelbaek</a>k</span> came to the same conclusion in 2002.
•	In <a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=BqxVUwsblGjD3bH-mGYprbKt_UsOMueXcWFr0p2dr-xqLBgfojW58U56XopeW65xXiJvSL3SRmmKuTnru2Khi5GLQzQAyz1B_uOOn95gGLQ~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tunevall’s 1991 study</a>y_, a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%.
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=IoZiBCsWEWSbnJ0HgjPA8SamKnIbLDp45V9mcVPdsdkeWTqWLoIh7LmRYEUP8Hh_kU30s8Dqm9404Vu_hQtzaKImnVpXisCwrUb-9YAnzqw~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">A review by Skinner and Sutton</a>n_ in 2001 concluded that “The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=IFNxYWcb7HBmXZNLlbNIxelyz3euO8G3nane83SPtenC4c3EN2OH4izVzNScwrYFnJDmuSjluIFarZkrqOA-YvrAnJYN8gmR65HTkF0EJis~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lahme et al.</a>._, in 2001, wrote that “surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anaesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=mj9cEnlk5arZAxXKoW27VRSwMJk3PAG_4l2y96x-h5IAIrTarr01-8ZqVnXFDkPAievsRDpU_nV73Pehswhk68AIIo5tf5m5gFC3nReXFWc~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Figueiredo et al.</a>._, in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn.
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=AvoAC6FSzk-2WVJ7JT9cQp_fDVjxMwj54laMoqnRptT9uMPxZqr54L5SyI2EVGYuwdwU_O6NB7wxuaRe9ORYKx7oLtydK8rxJJM_KMqnZrs~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bahli</a>i_ did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that “no significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=mmU-v5w_OqXV50eCyEClZbrgsdNN6H_I7H5pX0oU5dbFlUEeiZMi1gdF6w6pQkdk87aX_DzE1_KPM89MauJ9sxAruBekHbsvZqJXGIKQtpU~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Surgeons at the Karolinska Institute</a>e_ in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. “Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist,” wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=6YRtpEgbRqs_a1YakxsrIWNSpKqXzn80PRv0Sz42BUedx4DWHPjUoKrJu_kmVl-8oibkJztzj5ZNYCiSKvZlh_AQCBWLUsp-uo60E0u_d-U~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Webster et al.</a>._, in 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopaedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=hJOrtOuMNNzC641-JAbeGChW5TnmbycacJNDt6d5x3UQoEdwuunRBDyl3vwbKxRYA6Qf8LIfGiqwMdlZreZwuoVQHIn04aYVvgxiWXT16FI~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lipp and Edwards</a>s<span class="underline"> reviewed the surgical literature in 2014 and found “no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials.” <a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=i9MWGjClvSlHC30l2sv0EsqDHCZi5Ay5RYxqwC3n29tWTGbMF3XH2CBO4aAj3Trv5dPg2Zdlk8B6GROKvAsVRqbIcmw9Vws7TLbll7sLaxU~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Vincent and Edwards</a>s</span> updated this review in 2016 and the conclusion was the same.
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=IGmxALqfj_55mmNMGp6VK5L79wvT1AeKFoPN3i_t1eeSl3j3p4gnIU0WnXmT8kLVxfB7esRLox3gyjPn_gs6E5QChSKSC8IylX_L55v4GC4~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Carøe</a>e_, in a 2014 review based on four studies and 6,006 patients, wrote that “none of the four studies found a difference in the number of post-operative infections whether you used a surgical mask or not.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=XJFpub7c-I9zsLvV9tSwEvIcYn8fJVI_VcfKEKjWqCpAd1QmJA2EBXui7IlvQWvraeW08iX1quoGbmLyt1OyHIrhr-O_AHmucQQVD3Xbsz4~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Salassa and Swiontkowski</a>i_, in 2014, investigated the necessity of scrubs, masks and head coverings in the operating room and concluded that “there is no evidence that these measures reduce the prevalence of surgical site infection.”
•	<a class="break-all" href="https://app.cyberimpact.com/click-tracking?ct=A0A3Sm4T5V-E-s1IDK6UM8rPLWEsfoTMm0lXamVvsmvaoM1LT1AdaBiMglW-QOE_FfGTZpyBh6B_RDucHfXaaYvh71wY9X533JADodiKjoI~" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Da Zhou et al.</a>._, reviewing the literature in 2015, concluded that “there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that face masks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.”

@confuseddotcom090 that’s very interesting, good to know that. Last spring and early summer we didn’t wear masks but instead distanced in shops and Covid infections and death rates went down substantially. I do wear a mask in shops, but can’t abide the bullying of those who are medically exempt and unable to wear them. It’s vaccines that are sorting out Covid, not masks and endless lockdowns.

Masks in surgery have 2 main functions: to stop the surgeon getting spattered in the face with pus/blood/debris and safety theatre to reassure the patient.

Confused, if it is "safety theatre", why are the patients usually asleep? They won't notice or remember, will they? Additionally, if your heart surgeon was to go maskless, I guess you wouldn't mind if a bit of spit drops onto your pericardium? Heck, if they are going maskless, how about gloveless? Stick those hands right in there!

@loulouljh

It looked great. Good on them. The masks are there to appease those who are frightened. They are really unnecessary. I imagine alot more people will be dropping the wretched things as the weather improves.

Masks for surgery-of course. Masks for Tescos-no.

Cut the masks are for frightened ppl nonsense.

It's following medical advice of experts with decades of experience.

Those ppl had no right to put others at risk. Do what you want in your private space but try being considerate of others in public.

People are idiots. Plenty of evidence for the effectiveness of masks. Idiots like to try and convince others that they aren’t effective.

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

A year ago whitty and co told us they made no difference. Now he says they do. Bullshit

@MothralovesGojira

I volunteer in a charity shop and head office has stated that when we reopen on the 12th April we must wear masks (and rightly so)and we must still limit numbers entering our shop but we can not make customers wear masks and we can not refuse entry to people refusing to wear one. 100% of the volunteers are over 50 and many like me are also carers and do a couple of days or hours each week for despite and a wish to help a worthy charity. Several volunteers have already withdrawn their help and if our shop loses any more then the shop may close.

We are all incredibly shocked by this as part of keeping covid under control is mask wearing as even with vaccination covid is still transmissible. I do not wish to take covid home and give it to the person that I care for because some knob doesn't believe in covid/masks/vaccinations etc.

Won't most of you have had your vaccinations now?

During the blitz I used to leave my lights on. Everyone else put theirs off but I didn’t believe it made much difference really. I don’t like being in the dark. In any case chances are the bombers wouldn’t be that accurate and would probably have hit my neighbours house anyway.

[quote AmadeustheAlpaca]@confuseddotcom090 that’s very interesting, good to know that. Last spring and early summer we didn’t wear masks but instead distanced in shops and Covid infections and death rates went down substantially. I do wear a mask in shops, but can’t abide the bullying of those who are medically exempt and unable to wear them. It’s vaccines that are sorting out Covid, not masks and endless lockdowns.[/quote]
Eh? Last spring and summer it was the closure of schools and lockdowns that had cases down not you not wearing masks. As soon as schools and lockdown was fully lifted cases started going up very very fast.
And yes, vaccines are helping to control covid, of course they are, that was the whole point of lockdowns- to wait for the vaccine and continue to protect the nhs and minimise excessive deaths. However, as we have just come out of full lockdown and really suppressed numbers and at the same time continued vaccinating, we have seen cases not rocket again.

[quote CovidCorvid]People are idiots. Plenty of evidence for the effectiveness of masks. Idiots like to try and convince others that they aren’t effective.

www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent[/quote]
100% this.

@2boysand1princess We haven’t come out of full lockdown, we’re still in it and still wearing masks despite cases and deaths plummeting. It will be interesting to see when all this shitshow is over how many people who claim they will continue to wear masks for “health” reasons will actually do so.

There really is no limit to the selfishness, ignorance, entitlement and stupidity of some people.

@BonnieDundee

A year ago whitty and co told us they made no difference. Now he says they do. Bullshit

Source please? Actual quote from Whitty would be great.

I can believe whitty did say that a year or so ago. Certainly someone high up in sage/the govt did as I can remember thinking what idiots they were as there was already some good evidence from China and Singapore that masks did work.

Thankfully as the evidence got even stronger the govt took it on board.

There was a lot of stuff we didn't know a year ago which we know now. Doesn't mean we keep doing stuff the same as when Covid first emerged. We learn, we get better.

Tell that to the 170,000 bereaved families
They caught it from someone. And that someone wasn't wearing a mask.

Stop inflating numbers - 127,000 is a more accurate number. You have no proof that someone wasn't wearing a mask, and masks do not totally eliminate spread.

Oh and unless you expect patients to wear masks whilst in a hospital bed then it will bloody well be passed on.

A year ago whitty and co told us they made no difference. Now he says they do. Bullshit

Source please? Actual quote from Whitty would be great.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-news-professor-chris-whitty-no-masks-advice-a9374086.html

[quote BonnieDundee]A year ago whitty and co told us they made no difference. Now he says they do. Bullshit

Source please? Actual quote from Whitty would be great.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-news-professor-chris-whitty-no-masks-advice-a9374086.html[/quote]
Have you read the actual quote from Chris Witty? From the article you just linked:

Prof Whitty said: “In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all. So we do not advise that.”

“The only people we do sometimes use masks for are people who have got an infection and that is to help them to stop it spreading around," he added.

Of course wearing a mask if you aren't infectious isn't going to make a difference, no one is denying that. Masks reduce the amount of viral particles transmitted into the surrounding environment, from someone who is infected with coronavirus.

As with virtually all aspects of medicine & science, as we learn more, we adapt advice. It became clear very quickly that a huge amount of people were asymptomatic carriers. This is why the public are asked to act as if they have CV, and wear a mask in certain situations, because there is no way of knowing at any given time if you are infectious.

As I said before, it's a very simple trade off:

Wearing a mask unnecessarily because you aren't infected with coronavirus --> minor inconvenience to you, benefits of reassuring individuals around you such as workers and vulnerable.

Not wearing a mask when you are infected with coronavirus > increased viral particles in the surrounding environment > increased risk of people being infected & increased risk of individuals exposed to high viral load --> new chains of infection started, potentially resulting in hospitalisation, long-term complications and increased mutation rate of virus.